These gains are also available elsewhere. You are not superior, nor do you have access to superior things or ways of working, just because you buy Apple.
That is the success of the Apple marketing team making you think that way.
This is obviously a subjective debate now, its all personal opinion. I would love to have that debate calmly and intelligently, but I feel here is not the place. Maybe we will meet in another place and time and be able to figure out what the other likes and prefers in their OS choice :)
Don't you think you're generalizing from a set of cherry-picked examples? How would you even approach trying to demonstrate this?
Thanks for teaching me something today :)
They didn't say they were or did. They said that they personally get value out of that product ecosystem.
Me choosing a product because I find value in it doesn't mean that I am calling you inferior for not buying that product. It's not a zero-sum game. You're allowed to be happy with the value you find in the products you choose as well!
No they didnt, they said 'quality and productivity gains I get from their product ecosystem'. Inferring they dont get those gains from other platforms
If it bothers you that I (Some random person on the internet) prefers Apple over whatever you prefer or did not illustrate every possible alternative in my comment…well you should probably explore concern that with your therapist of choice at your next appointment.
Then apologies for misunderstanding your statement.
> If it bothers you that I....blah blah blah
Your preferences dont bother me in the slightest. It only bothers me when people claim that there are certain objective advantages in one platform over another, which you have clarified you did not do.
However you seem very quick to jump to personal statements, and suggesting therapy. Maybe you should stick to the content of the discussion and not insult people in future? You will find you get on much better on the internet that way.
Happy to do that, and suggest the same for you. You don’t need to go to such great lengths to parse out meaning where it doesn’t exist.
I wouldnt need to if people in forums were more willing to just immediately clarify what they mean in a response instead of jumping to attack the people who are questioning them.
In normal conversation, it’s generally not necessary to acknowledge all the ice creams you like and don’t like just because you mentioned how much you love chocolate. I think it would probably be a pretty normal response that if someone demanded that you do that, that you would be irritated at the absurdity of the demand and respond accordingly.
But hey, if I misread that you were being intentionally obtuse, I’m sorry.
If it bothers you that I (Some random person on the internet) prefers Apple over whatever you prefer or did not illustrate every possible alternative in my comment…well you should probably explore concern that with your therapist of choice at your next appointment.
They didn't say anything about personally being superior to other people.
It doesnt need other people chiming in trying to clarify what someone else was trying to say.
Just because that other store exists and sells a similar product doesn’t mean I have to shop there, even if other people prefer that store.
If you agree that the gains you get are also available elsewhere to people who prefer other platforms, then I objectively apologise and retract my statement.
To extend their grocery store analogy, the layout is a gain to them. You may not care, but it is tangible to some.
Your comment reads like you’re saying “all platforms must be considered equal or you find offence” but you’re ignoring subjective needs and opinions.
Someone else’s choices and priorities are not a reflection on you as a person or your choices.
What if they care about AppleScript? Nothing else has that. Or if they care about running Logic because there’s some unique plugin there?
All platforms can do everything. They are all just computers, you just have to learn how to do it.
Everything else here is subjective, which I think we agree on.
> but you’re ignoring subjective needs and opinions.
No I'm not quite the opposite. All platforms are equal if you put the time and efffort into finding the ways to do things you want to. After that, the preference on which you would like to use is subjective.
To clarify definition, needs are not subjective but opinions are.
And the idea that “all platforms meet your needs if you put in enough effort and time ” is flawed because that time and effort is part of the needs.
Again, to take their grocery store analogy: the layout doesn’t change the capability of the store. But it does provide them with the ability to get things done sooner, faster and with less cognitive load.
User experience matters more than I think you acknowledge.
People can and do change all the time. Humans instinctively stick with what they know, but in reality most people could be more efficient by learning things outside of their comfort zone. The few people that do this are rewrded greatly by having multiple strings to their bow, and being adaptive to many environments.
Those that stick with they know are super efficient in their own environment, but take them out of that and they invariably complain that they could be better if they had the tools they know.
User experience matters and it’s not just about adapting.
But we can agree to disagree, thats fine. Thankyou for the respect :)
Then I am curious, in your orignal statemnt you said you get gains from using their ecosystem. Gains over what exactly?
Could I do all these things with other manufacturers…probably. However, all these things I can do with Apple by just logging in to my devices with an Apple ID. I don’t know of any other solution or combination of hardware/software that provides that level of out of the box ecosystem just off a single login.