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Re:Kim Dotcom's Extradition to the U.S. Given Green Light by... by dangus on Thursday August 15, 2024 @04:14PM (#41259893)
There is a ton of evidence. Ask Snoop Dogg how much money he gets from streaming compared to CD sales. Look at how badly industry revenue has collapsed. It literally never recovered fully since Napster.

https://www.statista.com/chart/17244/us-music-revenue-by-for...

It is an industry that employs real people from artists to studio engineers to musical instrument and equipment companies to the bartenders at the venues. Those people are sharing a smaller pie than they used to before Internet piracy devalued their music.

In your opinion it's tyrannical. Sure, most certainly a non-violent crime against a wealthy corporation isn't on the same level as murder or assault. At the same time, copyright infringement is conceptually not that different from property crime.

You would want the police to arrest someone who broke into your home and stole your movie collection.

You wouldn't want to spend a year writing code for your micro-SaaS product and then have a hacker breach your infrastructure, steal your work and sell it on their own website.

It's really a grand piece of irony for software engineers that depend on enforceable copyright law to put food on their table to call this arrest tyranny. If nobody can go to jail or be fined for copyright infringement then I hate to say it but you are going to need to quit your job writing software and start driving a city bus or something.

Don't forget that Megaupload was specifically designed to enable piracy and discourage other uses of the technology. It wasn't a file storage service that could be used for legitimate personal use because unpopular downloads would be deleted. The company actually paid people via an incentive program to upload popular files that were copyright infringing. This wasn't just "YouTube is bad at playing whack-a-mole with DMCA claims," this was a company that was responsible for something like 4% of all Internet piracy all by itself and actively encouraged it.

It's not like they were a company that didn't have access to lawyers who could warn them not to do what they did. Kim deserves his fate because his own hubris invited it.

Re:Kim Dotcom's Extradition to the U.S. Given Green Light by... by zamubafoo on Thursday August 15, 2024 @04:18PM (#41259939)
Streaming is not piracy though?
Re:Kim Dotcom's Extradition to the U.S. Given Green Light by... by dangus on Thursday August 15, 2024 @04:26PM (#41260005)
No, but piracy didn't stop being the #1 way to obtain digital music until streaming offered a convenient alternative. Streaming was essentially forced into existence by the wild rampancy and ease of music piracy.

You really think if Spotify came along in 1998 that all the major record labels would agree to give them their entire catalog for $10 a month? Back then they were selling a single CD for around $20.

Re:Kim Dotcom's Extradition to the U.S. Given Green Light by... by ineptech on Thursday August 15, 2024 @06:18PM (#41261057)
Streaming was forced into existence by the invention of digital media. The ~20 years between the point where could stream and the point where we did stream seems in retrospect to be an artifact of having an entrenched industry clinging desperately to the concept of music as a physical product.
Re:Kim Dotcom's Extradition to the U.S. Given Green Light by... by threeio on Thursday August 15, 2024 @04:37PM (#41260110)
I mean... they did (basically) give access to their entire catalog to radio stations for even less than that.. but I almost sound like a troll mentioning it.
Re:Kim Dotcom's Extradition to the U.S. Given Green Light by... by dghlsakjg on Friday August 16, 2024 @12:41AM (#41263218)
Every good stereo from the 80s and 90s had two tape-decks, one of which could record from any other signal source on the stereo. It wasn't so you could play two tapes over the speakers...

Piracy existed a LONG time before Napster hit the scene.

Re:Kim Dotcom's Extradition to the U.S. Given Green Light by... by ted_dunning on Friday August 16, 2024 @04:29PM (#41270081)
The major record labels were forced by compulsory license to allow MusicMatch to stream music about 2 years later.
Re:Kim Dotcom's Extradition to the U.S. Given Green Light by... by Dylan16807 on Thursday August 15, 2024 @04:55PM (#41260278)
> Ask Snoop Dogg how much money he gets from streaming compared to CD sales.

If you do that you'll get a very misleading answer. That low payment he got was for writing credit on a song with 17 writers.

But the main reason streaming gives less revenue than CD sales isn't a "devaluation of music" thing, it's because streaming is closer to radio.

Re:Kim Dotcom's Extradition to the U.S. Given Green Light by... by a57721 on Thursday August 15, 2024 @07:23PM (#41261560)
> You wouldn't want to spend a year writing code for your micro-SaaS product and then have a hacker breach your infrastructure, steal your work and sell it on their own website.

> It's really a grand piece of irony for software engineers that depend on enforceable copyright law to put food on their table to call this arrest tyranny. If nobody can go to jail or be fined for copyright infringement then I hate to say it but you are going to need to quit your job writing software and start driving a city bus or something.

For many (if not most?) software businesses nowadays, the code itself holds little intrinsic value. If someone were to steal my SaaS code, it's unlikely they could deploy it and sell a similar product. The value of my business lies in its domain expertise, not in the code being a trade secret. Many internal projects aren't open-source simply because opening them to the public would require significant maintenance. Otherwise, there would be no issue in sharing the code, as much of what's built today is based on open-source projects.

Similarly, if I'm selling an application and its code is leaked, people would still prefer to install it from the app store. Few would go through the trouble of compiling the code and deploying a "hacked" version.

This contrasts with the 80s and 90s, when illegal copies of floppy disks and CDs posed a significant issue for some software businesses. However, times have changed. Nowadays, people prefer to pay for the support of a SaaS or the convenience of installing an app from a store, complete with updates.

There are exceptions, but I believe most software engineers don't work on projects where the code itself has significant value that needs to be protected by copyright laws.

The situation with music is somewhat similar. People have stopped buying physical media because it's no longer practical. Even those who collect CDs, vinyl, or tapes typically use streaming platforms for most of their music consumption.