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Re:Blitz: A lightweight, modular, extensible web renderer by flir on Monday August 12, 2024 @06:05AM (#41222868)
How do you solve the catch 22 of "no content means no users means no content"?

*gestures vaguely at Gemini*

(serious question, because I too want that simpler, lighter version of the web).

Re:Blitz: A lightweight, modular, extensible web renderer by idle_zealot on Monday August 12, 2024 @06:27AM (#41222960)
You could write a translation or compatibility layer for web content that reduces it to your minimal version.
Re:Blitz: A lightweight, modular, extensible web renderer by notsylver on Monday August 12, 2024 @07:25AM (#41223267)
But then no one bothers implementing your document format because their existing HTML already works and it's not worth investing more time into such a small userbase, and then you're maintaining even more code
Re:Blitz: A lightweight, modular, extensible web renderer by nicoburns on Monday August 12, 2024 @07:47AM (#41223399)
That's not necessarily true. Markdown is a good example of compile-to-html format that has gained huge popularity.
Re:Blitz: A lightweight, modular, extensible web renderer by philistine on Monday August 12, 2024 @09:54AM (#41224372)
As a transitive format. There are no places full of Markdown documents to read and share, where Markdown is the final display format. It's all translated to HTML.
Re:Blitz: A lightweight, modular, extensible web renderer by flir on Monday August 12, 2024 @02:31PM (#41227777)
If you did write a "markdown over http" spec and implemented a browser for it, it would be about 15 seconds before someone reimplemeted it as a JS library.

In fact, if I was trying to build "markdown over http" I'd start with the JS library. Skip the native browser application entirely.

Re:Blitz: A lightweight, modular, extensible web renderer by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF on Monday August 12, 2024 @02:36PM (#41227830)
One problem with markdown is it's technically a superset not a subset of HTML. You can put a canvas and video that's in it. It's not a great standalone format
Re:Blitz: A lightweight, modular, extensible web renderer by meiraleal on Tuesday August 13, 2024 @04:39AM (#41233530)
MDX !== markdown
Re:Blitz: A lightweight, modular, extensible web renderer by al_borland on Monday August 12, 2024 @04:53PM (#41229209)
With any of this, isn’t it a, “build it and they will come,” situation?

Web Assembly, for example, is pretty pointless if browsers don’t support it. Browsers now support it, so it can be used, and that’s slowly happening.

It seems like the new document standard would need to be written, the benefits would need to be demonstrated, to the point support is integrated into the mainstream browsers, and then people who see benefit from the (I assume) easier/faster/better development, can start using it for new projects or integrating it into existing projects.

Trying to make an entirely new internet based on a new document standard would be rough. At this point, I don’t see that as a way forward, unless it brings something extremely compelling that users want and go crazy for, which can’t be duplicated with existing technology. I’m thinking Napster levels of hype and consumer desire.