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Re:China's total wind and solar capacity outstrips coal by toomuchtodo on Sunday August 11, 2024 @10:03PM (#41220625)
Sodium ion batteries do not require rare earths. Rare earths are not a limiter to scaling up PV and battery storage deployment. All necessary inputs are abundant and geographically diverse. Minerals and energy goes in, out comes clean energy infra.

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2019/11/28/are-rare-earths-used-...

https://electrek.co/2024/05/17/china-first-large-scale-sodiu...

Re:China's total wind and solar capacity outstrips coal by RandomThoughts3 on Monday August 12, 2024 @02:57AM (#41221817)
> Sodium ion batteries

That’s prospective technology developed literally in order to overcome the limitation that is lithium availability… The battery you are talking about in China is both the first and very small capacity related to the grid.

I’m sorry but I think you clearly have an axe to grind and are not engaging with me with full intellectual honesty here.

Re:China's total wind and solar capacity outstrips coal by toomuchtodo on Monday August 12, 2024 @09:14AM (#41224018)
I’ve provided facts. If you are unhappy with those facts, that is a choice, but the facts are still facts. Lithium is also abundant; I mentioned sodium because it is even more abundant and the evidence shows China’s pilot with the technology to be successful, but using lithium for utility scale storage is also feasible based on reserves available [1] and cost [2] if sodium ion utility scale storage is unable to scale, for whatever reason. Neither chemistry requires rare earths.

[1] https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/lithium-electric-v...

[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-07-09/china-... | https://archive.today/DklaA

Re:China's total wind and solar capacity outstrips coal by toomuchtodo on Monday August 19, 2024 @12:11PM (#41292262)
Additional citation:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41292113 ("HN: North Carolina is getting a $1.4B sodium-ion battery gigafactory")

https://electrek.co/2024/08/16/north-carolina-sodium-ion-bat... ("electrek: North Carolina is getting a $1.4B sodium-ion battery gigafactory")