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Re:CrowdStrike accepting the PwnieAwards for "most epic fail... by figassis on Sunday August 11, 2024 @12:59PM (#41217572)
I’m a software engineer, with a degree, and SWE does have the same ethical principles and the same engineering process, from problem definition and requirements a the way to development lifecycle, testing, deployment indigent management, etc. none of it includes sprints and story points.

Suffice it to say most SWEs are not being hired to do actual engineering, bc the industry can’t get over the fact that just because you can update and release SW instantly doesn’t mean you should.

Re:CrowdStrike accepting the PwnieAwards for "most epic fail... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday August 11, 2024 @01:00PM (#41217592)
> SWE does have the same ethical principles and the same engineering process

The lack of certification means this training isn’t reinforced to the degree it is in engineering.

Re:CrowdStrike accepting the PwnieAwards for "most epic fail... by WarOnPrivacy on Sunday August 11, 2024 @01:44PM (#41217923)
Right. If the coding industry mimics the construction industry, we wind up with one position called engineer that assumes most of the liability.

The other 99.99....% of software engineers will get different titles.

All of this ignores the individuals who are most responsible for these catastrophes.

Investors and executives deliver relentless and effective pressure toward practices that maximize their profits - at the expense of all else.

They purposefully create + nurture a single point of failure and are massively rewarded for the harm that causes (while the consequences are suffered by everyone else). Thanks to the pass they reliably get, we get their leadership design degrading every industry it can.

Re:CrowdStrike accepting the PwnieAwards for "most epic fail... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday August 11, 2024 @01:58PM (#41218060)
> If the coding industry mimics the construction industry, we wind up with one position called engineer that assumes most of the liability

If their sign off is required, this could work. The question is whether it’s worth it, and if it is, in which contexts.

Re:CrowdStrike accepting the PwnieAwards for "most epic fail... by WarOnPrivacy on Monday August 12, 2024 @09:54AM (#41224370)
> If their sign off is required, this could work. The question is whether it’s worth it, and if it is, in which contexts.

Civil engineers liability is tied to standards set by gov agencies/depts and industry consortium.

Standards would have to be created in software engineering - along with the associated gov & industry bodies. In civil engineering, those things grew during/from many decades of need.