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Re:Google Loses DOJ Antitrust Suit Over Search by srcreigh on Monday August 05, 2024 @03:34PM (#41164640)
Apple could be getting paid off by google to keep this aspect of search difficult to change.
Re:Google Loses DOJ Antitrust Suit Over Search by bn-l on Monday August 05, 2024 @03:38PM (#41164684)
$20 billion in 2022 according to the verge via court docs: https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/2/24147007/google-paid-apple...
Re:Google Loses DOJ Antitrust Suit Over Search by crazygringo on Monday August 05, 2024 @04:07PM (#41165029)
No, absolutely not -- that says nothing whatsoever about making the default difficult to change.

It's just about what the default is.

Re:Google Loses DOJ Antitrust Suit Over Search by srcreigh on Monday August 05, 2024 @04:37PM (#41165362)
The “make search difficult to change” is more obviously anti trust worthy, and if they did make this deal I would not be surprised if they were careful to not write anything down.

(Not to mention google deleting chats against court orders)

Re:Google Loses DOJ Antitrust Suit Over Search by bryanrasmussen on Monday August 05, 2024 @04:38PM (#41165366)
sure, but every change away from that default means having the default is that much less valuable. So it sort of seems like it might make financial sense not devoting dev time to making it easy to switch.
Re:Google Loses DOJ Antitrust Suit Over Search by pydry on Monday August 05, 2024 @04:48PM (#41165460)
That last part requires a nudge and a wink, just like those OEMs who didn't "need" to make it annoying as fuck to turn off secure boot under the terms of their contract with Microsoft but did it anyway because they knew what was good for them.
Re:Google Loses DOJ Antitrust Suit Over Search by CapstanRoller on Monday August 05, 2024 @05:10PM (#41165644)
It "says nothing whatsoever" only if you fell off the turnip truck yesterday, or have a vested interest in defending a massive corporation.
Re:Google Loses DOJ Antitrust Suit Over Search by ClumsyPilot on Monday August 05, 2024 @05:54PM (#41165982)
When you are committing a crime, do you put it in writing, sign it and send it to a judge?
Re:Google Loses DOJ Antitrust Suit Over Search by lupire on Monday August 05, 2024 @03:50PM (#41164836)
If these hypothetically had no impact on the rest of the business, and were just an arbitrary payment, they would be the difference between Google having more profit than Apple, and vice versa.
Re:Google Loses DOJ Antitrust Suit Over Search by fshbbdssbbgdd on Monday August 05, 2024 @04:50PM (#41165476)
If the rate Google pays is in some way set per usage/rev-share, then Google is indeed paying to make the setting difficult to change.
Re:Google Loses DOJ Antitrust Suit Over Search by ClumsyPilot on Monday August 05, 2024 @05:53PM (#41165975)
> If the rate Google pays is in some way set per usage/rev-share

Rule number 1 of commiting a crime, is don’t create evidence and then sign it yourself and send it to lawyers

Re:Google Loses DOJ Antitrust Suit Over Search by maximus_01 on Monday August 05, 2024 @04:55PM (#41165518)
The deal with Google is not a fixed amount. It has a revenue component (ie a share of Google revenue from that user). So the motivation for Apple to make it difficult is clear - a user switching browser costs Apple money as it does not have revenue share deals with others