Re:Rich, western countries face a stark choice: 6-day workwe...
by jzackpete on Monday August 05, 2024 @11:58AM
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Because immigration (i.e. increasing the labor pool, increasing competition in the labor market, increasing demand for housing) actively harms the average member of the electorate? I fail to see how working _more_ hours is a consequence of fewer workers chasing the same number of jobs (unless you believe the average non-western immigrant comes here, starts a business, and employs at least one native born person.)
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Re:Rich, western countries face a stark choice: 6-day workwe...
by illiac786 on Monday August 05, 2024 @12:50PM
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Don’t know where you live but where I live there is simply no one born here willing to do the hard jobs: harvesting, kitchen cook, cleaning, construction, etc. Only immigrants. There is beging this a lack of workforces at all levels, it’s scary, even hair dressers can’t find people. And additionally population is aging fast, no one left to pay the pensions, 2 worker pay the pension of one retired person – which is not possible and hence pensions is the biggest deficit of the government. Immigration is a net positive here, but it scares people, because right extremists make it look scary with lies, like the one the triggered the riots in England recently.
I live in Germany.
Re:Rich, western countries face a stark choice: 6-day workwe...
by jzackpete on Monday August 05, 2024 @01:20PM
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No one born there (and where I'm from as well) is willing to do the hard jobs at the current market rate. Every conversation about a "labor shortage" seems to disingenuously pretend that wages are a fixed part of the equation.
Wages never rise because everyone falls for the propaganda that immigration is a "net positive" (and it is only a net positive for the capital-owning class who sell out their countrymen in favor of lower employment costs.) Do non-western immigrants in Germany contribute more in taxes than they receive in benefits (on average?)
Re:Rich, western countries face a stark choice: 6-day workwe...
by illiac786 on Monday August 05, 2024 @03:25PM
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Ok, valid point.
Problem 1 is, no one is willing to pay goods at the price that would result from paying the required wage to get “native” workers.
Problem 2 is, there isn’t enough workers in a lot of professions. Raising wages isn’t going to make workforce appear out of thin air.