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Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by johnnyanmac on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @06:43PM (#41114867)
exactly, especially in the suburbs. My closest places to talk to

- ~half a mile to a local taco stand. Could be closer but railroads are in the way and they run on the hour (and a big ditch also discourages that). kinda bad, but still on the verge of "walkable".

- now, the other direction about a mile away is a wal mart. But, half a mile of this walk is a vertical 200 foot climb. You'll be exhausted at worst and sweaty at best before you even get halfway there. But if you make the walk you got a plaza of whatever you need.

- And that's really all the "walkable" areas. The next closest plaza is 3 miles from the taco shack, a bit outside of "walkable" if you just need to grab some tools from Home Depot or wait for an order at In n Out (inside isn't much better than the drive-through). Buses do run here, but only every hour (and is next to the taco shack. so half a mile walk)

Those in EU places can find it hard to understand. But there's just so much dang land between everything if you're not downtown.

>I don't think we should be trying to get away from cars altogether by any means, but I think we should seriously consider banning them almost entirely from city centres.

If we had a better bus schedule, I wouldn't mind that. even if we just have to drive to a bus stop, it could be the start of this walkable city concept in downtown areas. But there's a lot of powers opposing that.

Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by throwaway22032 on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @07:24PM (#41115089)
It honestly isn't _that_ different in the UK.

Outskirts of a smaller city, you are 0.5-1 mile from everything. A corner shop, a takeaway, anything.

Some Americans think that everywhere is like central London or Berlin or whatever. Most of it is like an American suburb but with poorer condition smaller houses.

About the only difference is that if you are poor and in a suburb you can probably take a slow bus that is infrequent. But no-one actually wants to do that if they can afford otherwise.

Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by johnnyanmac on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @08:09PM (#41115317)
I sure hope y'all don't have to climb 200 ft hills in those areas. If it wasn't for that I'd say it's a walkable enough area for my needs.

I understand that not everything will be packed in all of EU, but better public transportation makes up for that. The other annoying aspect of non-urban us cities tends to be geography. It's very hilly in the western US with little fertile land, and blazing hot and humid and the deep south. We'd absolutely need better bussing to overcome that.