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Re:A Swiss Town Banned Billboards. Zurich, Bern May Soon Follow by systemtest on Friday July 26, 2024 @04:49AM (#41076939)
Yes prices are problematic. The above mentioned 20 kilometers to work is a 5 euro bus ticket. A bus full of people should not cost 25 cents per kilometer per person. It's slightly cheaper than my car but it should be a lot cheaper because so many people share one vehicle.
Re:A Swiss Town Banned Billboards. Zurich, Bern May Soon Follow by briandear on Friday July 26, 2024 @08:58AM (#41078242)
You have to pay the driver, benefits, maintenance of stops, and subsidize all the miles where the bus is below capacity.
Re:A Swiss Town Banned Billboards. Zurich, Bern May Soon Follow by systemtest on Friday July 26, 2024 @09:41AM (#41078579)
And we have to pay the shareholders of Connexxion, Qbuzz, Keolis and Arriva.
Re:A Swiss Town Banned Billboards. Zurich, Bern May Soon Follow by bgnn on Saturday July 27, 2024 @02:52PM (#41088511)
This!
Re:A Swiss Town Banned Billboards. Zurich, Bern May Soon Follow by iggldiggl on Monday July 29, 2024 @05:20PM (#41103919)
Let's assume a driver's salary of 18 €/h. A rule of thumb I've heard is that vacation, sick days, social security etc. etc. approximately double that cost to the company, so 36 €/h. 20 kph average speed is already a somewhat generous value for a regular non-BRT city bus line, but let's use it for simplicity's sake, which gives 1,80 €/km driver's costs.

Another rough value of thumb for city buses is that they use roughly about 30 l/100 km, which adds about 0,50 €/km, so 2,30 €/km for driver + fuel.

A regular city bus holds about 100 passengers, and an average utilisation figure as averaged across the whole day and all routes might be somewhere around 20 %. So an average of 20 passengers per bus at all times, which means 11.5 cents per kilometre for driver and fuel. Now add-in capital cost for the bus itself, maintenance and other ancillary stuff and unfortunately 25 cents per kilometre isn't all that much all of a sudden.

(If you can read some German, somebody did a more complete modelling of costs at https://prof.bht-berlin.de/fileadmin/prof/jschlaich/200811_F..., and with some assumed fictitious but presumably plausible values ended up at 3,26 €/vehicle-km for a city bus operation in 2008 – and both (driver) pay and fuel have increased above inflation since then.)