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Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by solarmist on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @04:32PM (#41050487)
The sticking point is you can’t build the model. To be able to build the model from scratch you need methodology and a complete description of the data set.

They only give you a blob of data you can run.

Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by _heimdall on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @04:43PM (#41050604)
Got it, that makes sense. I still wouldn't expect them to have to publicly share the data itself, but if you can't take the code they share and run it against your own data to build a model that wouldn't be open source in my understanding of it.
Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by TeMPOraL on Wednesday July 24, 2024 @03:56AM (#41054604)
Data is the source code here, though. Training code is effectively a build script. Data that goes into training a model does not function like assets in videogames; you can't swap out the training dataset after release and get substantially the same thing. If anything, you can imagine the weights themselves are the asset - and even if the vendor is granting most users a license to copy and modify it (unlike with videogames), the asset itself isn't open source.

So, the only bit that's actually open-sourced in these models is the inference code. But that's a trivial part that people can procure equivalents of elsewhere or reproduce from published papers. In this sense, even if you think calling the models "open source" is correct, it doesn't really mean much, because the only parts that matter are not open sourced.

Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by derefr on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @05:35PM (#41051187)
Compare/contrast:

DOOM-the-engine is open source (https://github.com/id-Software/DOOM), even though DOOM-the-asset-and-scenario-data is not. While you need a copy of DOOM-the-asset-and-scenario-data to "use DOOM to run DOOM", you are free to build other games using DOOM-the-engine.

Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by echoangle on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @06:04PM (#41051459)
I think no one would claim that “Doom” is open source though, if that’s the situation.
Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by camgunz on Wednesday July 24, 2024 @10:26AM (#41057446)
That's what op is saying, the engine is GPLv2, but the assets are copyrighted. There's Freedoom though and it's pretty good [0].

[0]: https://freedoom.github.io/