Per the article, Femke Van den Driessche was caught motor doping.

That was not in road-race.

This is false, Pogačar and Vingegaards w/kg is lower than the best juicers in the 90s/00s.

Do you have sources for that?

Some quick searching yields this:

"Based on the numbers, Tadej Pogačar has an FTP close to 7w/kg. These are the highest numbers that we’ve ever seen in professional cycling, and what’s even more incredible is that Pogačar is pushing 7w/kg for 40 minutes after four hours of racing."

https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-racing/tour-de-fran...

And it looks like Lance was about 6.97 W/kg in 2004: https://sportsscientists.com/2009/07/tour-de-france-2009-pow...

This number is useless without the time he was able to hold that value. Lanterne Rouge has calculated that Pog is about 10% over Pantani and Armstrong when it comes to W/kg over time interval.

In context from GP's source, the claim is for the 2004 Alpe d'Huez climb. This was stage 16 of the 2004 tour. The stage was 15.5 km but only 13.9 of that is the actual climb. Lance's total stage time was 39 minutes, 41 seconds, of which it seems like 37 minutes, 36 seconds was the climb[0].

This is an interval on par with Pogacar's climb, although Lance had less same-day load going into the climb.

[0]: https://www.stickybottle.com/races-results/cycling-fastest-t...

Can you put some names and numbers to that?

Uh, it isn't? Pog AND Vig both had arguably the best performance of all time on stage 14.

Comparing raw times isn’t accurate. The technology has improved Massively since Armstrong. Aero, weight, tire design, disc brakes (descending, wet).

And the training is just as drastically improved. Nutrition dialed to the individual, seven days/week. Power meters are ubiquitous. No more “go ride 5 hours with your roommate” for a Saturday training ride - it’s all planned all the time.

This has all happened since Pog was a small child.

Your reasoning is really funny because that's exactly how all the EPO/blood dopers explained their drastically improved performance 20 years ago. Do you seriously believe that Armstrong didn't have individual nutrition and just drove aimlessly 5 hours a day without power meters? You make it sound like he just ate 10 raw eggs with a bottle of red wine before racing like it's 1924.

Feel free to believe that nutrition, material, aero etc. will give you a 10% improvement over the most doped people in the history of cycling, especially on the final climb on plateau de beille, with incredible heat, headwind and after four cat1 climbs. Watch how Pogacar casually drives freehandedly, grabbing a bottle while Vingegaard pushes the fastest climb ever recorded, pulverizing Pantani's record, and seriously tell me this is because he had better breakfast.

> Watch how Pogacar casually drives freehandedly, grabbing a bottle while Vingegaard pushes the fastest climb ever recorded

This was the moment when I stopped watching. I like Pogačar and there is no way for rider to rebut all the accusations even the rider really is clean. But it doesn't help that he is riding under people who were doping and managing teams with doping scandals.

It’s been 20 years since LA “won” the Tour. Do I think the sport has advanced much since these guys raced… https://cycling-passion.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/marco...

Absolutely, I do. The bikes are more aero. The position on the bikes is different - Pog rarely gets out of the saddle on climbs, where LA and Pantani were often slogging out of the saddle. The training plans and nutrition are absolutely superior.

Does any of this mean Pog or Jonas are clean? No. We don’t know either way. All I do know is the anti-doping program is one of the strictest in sports. If people still dope, there’s not much we can do about it. Regardless, I‘ll continue to enjoy cycling as entertainment - there’s no higher meaning to sports - it’s all for fun.

Pog rides like Indurain, staying in the saddle and just punching the watts, that's nothing new. Ullrich adhered to that style and was handily beaten by Armstrong, because Ullrich couldn't match Armstrong's intermediate sprints out of the saddle. Maybe Ullrich's style is actually superior and Armstrong simply had the better juice, we'll never know.

These are just stylistic issues which might bring you a percent or two. The 10% we are seeing now is a world of difference on that level, especially because Pog simply exploded this year, beating both Giro and Tour without much trouble. I also heavily disagree with entertainment being the highest meaning of sports, because then I guess we would just all watch WWE or Peter Thiel's mutant games, but that's a topic for another day.

That doesn't sound dangerous at all

Or just altitude camps. In the CO paper they were claiming that CO rebreathing had "similar impact" as altitude camps, which makes a lot of sense given both of them are essentially attempts to deprive body of oxygen.

Don't be surprised if cyclist suddenly all started spending their off season in Tibet or something.