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Re:No One Expects Young Men to Do Anything and They Respond ... by codr7 on Monday July 22, 2024 @02:31PM (#41037952)
A society that doesn't support having children won't lead anywhere worth going.

I'm pretty sure that given the support they needed, and a society that didn't program them all the way to want other things in life more; the numbers would look very different.

And that IS the long term problem.

Which is not at all an excuse for not solving other problems, I don't feel it has to be one or the other.

Society very much has, and is, changing; drastically, exponentially. And in an increasingly destructive direction for quite a while now.

And it will have to change into something more constructive, humane, rational; if it wants to survive at all.

Re:No One Expects Young Men to Do Anything and They Respond ... by toomuchtodo on Monday July 22, 2024 @02:33PM (#41037975)
Indeed, society can fix the system if it so chooses. Otherwise, it must make peace with rational actors making rational decisions in an irrational and dysfunctional system. In my small acts, I am gifting agency and freedom. Society is free to make a better offer (I wish it would), but we know it won't.

Prof Scott Galloway asks, "Do we love our children? [1]" I can prove that we don't, beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is clear as day.

[1] https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_the_us_is_destr...

Re:No One Expects Young Men to Do Anything and They Respond ... by codr7 on Monday July 22, 2024 @02:36PM (#41038029)
Then it will be replaced by something more suitable, like many times before.

Once you drift too far away from basic human needs and the truth, something will happen, and we're more or less there if you ask me.

Re:No One Expects Young Men to Do Anything and They Respond ... by silverquiet on Monday July 22, 2024 @05:35PM (#41040056)
I'm curious how you would prove it? The biggest indictment of humanity to me is our destruction of the biosphere for future generations (and at the rate we're going, a few current generations as well).

Is it that or something else?

Re:No One Expects Young Men to Do Anything and They Respond ... by toomuchtodo on Monday July 22, 2024 @05:37PM (#41040079)
I can enumerate the long list of policy that treats youth as a resource to extract from vs supporting and enabling their success. Is that what you had in mind for this?
Re:No One Expects Young Men to Do Anything and They Respond ... by silverquiet on Monday July 22, 2024 @05:44PM (#41040139)
No need to enumerate the list; I can imagine rather a lot of it, and it probably isn't limited to youth, but they're usually the least able to deal with those who would extract from them.

But I still think the largest indictment of humanity is our failure to care for our home. Buckminster Fuller gave us the idea of "Starship Earth"; that we are all the crew of a spaceship that winds through the galaxy and we must all cooperate to maintain it for those that come after. It seems almost certain now that we will not make it.