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Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by seanmcdirmid on Sunday July 21, 2024 @09:20PM (#41030023)
You see your responsibility as wrong. We are caretakers of the country, we should vote for the best person to lead it, but barring that, we should vote against someone destructive taking power. If the country goes to heck in the next 4 years (and it hasn’t yet, the last 3.5 years have been pretty peaceful) because you decided voting against someone wasn’t moral, then you have to blame yourself.

Of course, if you don’t live in a swing state, then you can pretty much not vote and not feel any responsibility for the outcome, since we have so little influence anyways.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by _heimdall on Monday July 22, 2024 @12:22AM (#41030919)
> we should vote against someone destructive taking power

What do we do if we believe both options to be destructive in different ways? I believed that re-electing Biden in his current state would be destructive, potentially because he isn't fit today not certainly because he won't be in 4.5 years. I believe Trump to be a sociopathic narcissist. And, if Harris is selected, I view her to be unfit for the job and an incompetent leader that would be walking into the Oval Office at one of the most important times we've seen since the 40s.

I don't live in a swing state so I do agree my vote is ignored anyway, but I have voted every presidential election until now anyway. I want my voice heard, I just don't want to align my voice with any of these options and don't see how they could possibly be the best our country has to offer.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by seanmcdirmid on Monday July 22, 2024 @01:17AM (#41031113)
Whatever you think about him, Biden has been a boring adult, not a petulant 5 year old. He makes boring adult decisions, he never complained when the fed raised interest rates because inflation took off (like Trump did), I don't have to worry about him going off and nationalizing the fed, or replacing income taxes with a tariff that will make life much harder for everyone. Basically, he is a boring guy who doesn't even entertain doing crazy stuff. Trump is a pure populist, narcissist, and really, every thing he proposes is nuts.

I get you view Harris as unfit for no particular reason other than you think she is a DEI hire or something. But I bet she is just like other adult politicians, who isn't going to be very interesting, but isn't going to do anything crazy either. Anyways, the bar is low since I don't think Democrats could run anyone that would make me consider Trump's insanity. Heck, I'm probably splitting my vote this year, since I don't like Bob Ferguson for governor of WA, I'm a moderate who isn't happy with the decriminalization that has happened in my city/county/state over the last four years. BUT I value stability over anything else, I at least will vote for adults and not 5 year olds (I never thought we would get here, but Romney, McCain, and even Bush were grown ups that I could stomach).

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by _heimdall on Monday July 22, 2024 @08:55AM (#41033822)
I view her as unfit because I haven't seen her do anything meaningful. She was put in charge of fixing the immigration crisis, for example, and I have seen no action from her there. When in Congress I also didn't see anything important come out of her office, and any public hearings I did see her in were unimpressive at best and she seemed to stick to lazy arguments toeing the party line.

I consider a DEI hire because Biden made his intentions clear. He specifically said he was going to pick a woman, and I thought he specifically said a black woman but may I'm misremembering that. Saying you are reducing the pool of candidates specifically for a diversity factor makes that person a DEI hire, I'm not really sure how else to see it.

Its also worth noting that being a DEI hire doesn't say anything about the person's ability to do the role. Though I don't view her as being effective in her role, that is because of her experience and what she has accomplished and isn't because she was a DEI hire.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by Arthur_ODC on Monday July 22, 2024 @11:46AM (#41035753)
Interesting, I didn't read that as a DEI hire at all. I interpreted it as though he was just hinting at or throwing out a clue as to who he had already selected.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by _heimdall on Monday July 22, 2024 @04:22PM (#41039397)
Yeah, if that were the case I'd agree it wasn't a DEI pick. My memory is that he phraser it very much as a "I will find someone who is..." rather than "I picked someone and she is...", but memory is far from perfect!
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by eagleislandsong on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @02:28PM (#41049236)
> She was put in charge of fixing the immigration crisis, for example, and I have seen no action from her there

It's fair to say that Donald Trump is to blame for this one. See https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/25/politics/gop-senators-ang...:

"Senior Senate Republicans are furious that Donald Trump may have killed an emerging bipartisan deal over the southern border, depriving them of a key legislative achievement on a pressing national priority and offering a preview of what’s to come with Trump as their likely presidential nominee.

In recent weeks, Trump has been lobbying Republicans both in private conversations and in public statements on social media to oppose the border compromise being delicately hashed out in the Senate, according to GOP sources familiar with the conversations – in part because he wants to campaign on the issue this November and doesn’t want President Joe Biden to score a victory in an area where he is politically vulnerable."

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by eagleislandsong on Monday July 22, 2024 @05:48AM (#41032529)
Respectfully, I don't think you're framing the problem correctly. You're not merely voting for the President -- you're also voting for his/her administration. Biden, despite his cognitive decline, has a very long track record of appointing competent people to get things done (e.g., the American Rescue Plan, Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, CHIPS and Science Act, and the Inflation Reduction Act, just to name a few). Kamala, if she receives her party's nomination, will very likely be keeping most of the same staff. Additionally, if you object to Project 2025, that's another good reason to keep Trump out of the White House.

You're not merely voting for the President. You're voting for the full package.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by LetsGoApp on Monday July 22, 2024 @07:44AM (#41033319)
Notably, Trump plans to overhaul federal laws, granting the executive branch unprecedented power to fire federal employees who were previously protected from political whims and executive turnover.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by _heimdall on Monday July 22, 2024 @10:43PM (#41042036)
I also mean this respectfully, this is an interesting discussion and it's easy to lose intent in text.

I don't think your view is quite right here either. I'm not voting for an administration, I am actually only voting for the President. I would agree that I'm voting for a person who I trust to make executive decisions, including hiring and outsourcing, but voting for a person and their judgement is still different than voting for the administration comprised of unelected officials. Candidates generally don't announce their cabinet and department appointments until after the election, and it is fairly common for a second term President to shake things up after a reelection.

There's an interesting caveat to competence in getting things done. I definitely agree the Biden administration has gotten projects done, I just don't agree with quite a few of them.

I think we're worse off for the debt racked up by said programs, and the Inflation Reduction Act was a horribly named and fundamental misguided program that printed and spent new money in an attempt to reduce inflation. Whether you use the old definition of inflation, increasing the money supply, or the new definition, consumer price increases, adding new money into the system isn't a sound approach.

I also dislike much (all?) of what is in Project 2025, though I haven't personally seen Trump stand behind it or allude to any intentions of implementing it. Happy to be wrong there if I've missed something, I have a habit of tuning out when he starts talking.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by eagleislandsong on Thursday July 25, 2024 @02:28AM (#41065335)
Trump's Vice President candidate, JD Vance, is a huge proponent of Project 2025: https://www.theguardian.com/books/article/2024/jul/24/jd-van...

Excerpt from the Wikipedia page about Project 2025:

"Although Project 2025 cannot legally promote a specific presidential candidate, many contributors are associated with Trump and his 2024 presidential campaign.[43][44][45] The Heritage Foundation employs numerous people closely aligned with Trump,[46][47][48] and coordinates the initiative with various conservative groups run by Trump allies.[49] In 2023, Trump campaign officials acknowledged the project aligned well with their Agenda 47 program.[50] Trump campaign advisers have had regular contact with Project 2025,[51] though the project's controversial proposals have also caused the Trump campaign to view it as an annoyance.[52][53]"

Make of that what you will.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by LetsGoApp on Monday July 22, 2024 @07:39AM (#41033274)
>> don't live in a swing state

Your impact extends beyond your location. Donations, online engagement, and grassroots efforts in swing states can all make a difference, even if you don't live in one. For those seeking an alternative, Harris, for better or worse, has emerged as the only viable non-Trump option.