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Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by markdown on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:35PM (#41021077)
They are skilled. Try taking the best and brightest out of Silicon Valley and put them on farms, orchards, and in construction, and see how well they do.

This elitist attitude that low-paid workers are "unskilled" workers is bullshit and needs to go.

Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by zozbot234 on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:45PM (#41021157)
You're absolutely right that 'skilled' is merely a relative term and ultimately a social construct. But nonetheless, the fact remains that those skills are so much more abundant and are not soaked up by existing demand (which would drive wage increases at the margin).
Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by herewulf on Saturday July 20, 2024 @08:50PM (#41021522)
As a software engineer who has done plenty of home improvement, gardening, automotive repair, etc, I think the best and brightest would learn quickly.

Now, let's take the average farmer, orchard worker, construction worker, and then chuck them into a software job. They wouldn't know where to start and wouldn't get anywhere without the same educational basics that 99% of developers have gone through. That's not elitist, it's just reality.

So, there's a clear distinction to be made and it's not necessary to water down every word in the English language because we're afraid of hurting someone's feelings.

Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by MisterBastahrd on Sunday July 21, 2024 @01:10AM (#41022528)
Uh-huh. Let's see all those soft keyboard jockeys be efficient at hanging drywall and working on a roof all day long with no air conditioning in Texas or Arizona. They won't. They don't have what it takes.
Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by bavell on Sunday July 21, 2024 @11:05AM (#41025615)
Not all of us "keyboard jockeys" grew up soft and sheltered in big cities. The dry heat of TX/AZ isn't that bad compared to the sweltering humidity of the southeast ;)
Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by MisterBastahrd on Sunday July 21, 2024 @02:34PM (#41027092)
I'm from the bayou. I know damned good and well what I'm talking about. Roofing and construction for a living is not the same as occasionally going outside and sitting around in the heat.
Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by kjkjadksj on Sunday July 21, 2024 @01:31AM (#41022647)
I’m struck how you can’t see that both situations are exactly the same. Go to a strawberry field. Would you have any idea what to do as soon as you arrived? Absolutely not. No one is born knowing how to manage a farm from instinct. You’d need to learn how the farm works too.
Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by remixff2400 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @03:30AM (#41023205)
I think the argument isn't "engineer" vs. "farmer", but rather engineer (or doctor, interpreter, commercial farmer/farm manager, industrial project manager, any other specialization that realistically requires years of training) vs. lower-skilled labor like farmhand, non-management/unspecialized construction worker, stuff that can be taught and learned relatively quickly.

I wouldn't call "low-skilled" workers _unproductive_ per se, and personally think they're incredibly valuable, but economically, the cost/difficulty of replacing a "low-skilled" worker is relatively low: it's a lot easier to find a replacement farmhand than it is a replacement farmer that manages the farm itself.

Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by bavell on Sunday July 21, 2024 @11:03AM (#41025604)
I went strawberry picking a month ago with my 4yo and she picked it up pretty quick. She'd have much more trouble joining me in my day-to-day dev job.
Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by kjkjadksj on Monday July 22, 2024 @08:39PM (#41041368)
Picking strawberries is different than managing a farm. Imagine your 4 year old being a shot caller at the farm and how that might go. Would you have strawberries next season to even pick? Does your 4yo know how to sell thousands of pounds of strawberries?
Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by slothtrop on Saturday July 20, 2024 @09:38PM (#41021705)
It means, invariably, that they work positions that do not require high education. That's it. Any other euphemism in its place would just be in service of the same meaning.