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Re:Signs of two gases in clouds of Venus could indicate life... by blue_dragon on Friday July 19, 2024 @02:22PM (#41009449)
Makes me think the Soviets may have been correct in their obsession over Venus, if only by sheer luck.
Re:Signs of two gases in clouds of Venus could indicate life... by Animats on Friday July 19, 2024 @03:56PM (#41010450)
Venus needs more attention. Mars is boring. Luna is boring. Venus might have some action.

And what about Europa?

Re:Signs of two gases in clouds of Venus could indicate life... by bloopernova on Friday July 19, 2024 @04:37PM (#41010894)
Europa is orbiting Jupiter.

Jupiter puts out a lot of radiation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40978670

For sure, Venus needs exploration. I'd like to see an orbiting station with a 10 year mission to explore the Venusian atmosphere via drones or other methods.

Re:Signs of two gases in clouds of Venus could indicate life... by marcusverus on Friday July 19, 2024 @04:57PM (#41011128)
Any Europan life would be in its oceans, which are more than adequately shielded from radiation by a miles-thick layer of ice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_(moon)#Subsurface_ocean

Re:Signs of two gases in clouds of Venus could indicate life... by ccakes on Friday July 19, 2024 @05:02PM (#41011188)
Venus definitely needs more attention but regarding outer solar system, my money is on Enceladus being the most interesting one
Re:Signs of two gases in clouds of Venus could indicate life... by idlewords on Friday July 19, 2024 @05:06PM (#41011244)
Enceladus is the new Europa!
Re:Signs of two gases in clouds of Venus could indicate life... by mcswell on Friday July 19, 2024 @07:44PM (#41012653)
And Enceladus doesn't have a no trespassing sign.
Re:Signs of two gases in clouds of Venus could indicate life... by moffkalast on Friday July 19, 2024 @05:22PM (#41011451)
Mars is doable. Luna is convenient. Venus is pure acid under ridiculous pressure that melts any probe in minutes. Europa is too far for anything serious. Enceladus is even further away.
Re:Signs of two gases in clouds of Venus could indicate life... by c_o_n_v_e_x on Friday July 19, 2024 @09:22PM (#41013210)
>Venus is pure acid under ridiculous pressure that melts any probe in minutes.

Only at the surface.

Re:Signs of two gases in clouds of Venus could indicate life... by nickserv on Saturday July 20, 2024 @06:59AM (#41015568)
A balloon inflated at 1 bar would float around quite nicely in the venusian atmosphere.
Re:Signs of two gases in clouds of Venus could indicate life... by moffkalast on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:21AM (#41015674)
It's an interesting concept to be sure, but is it technically feasible to make it reliable enough? The transition from orbital velocity, to atmospheric entry and blimp deployment sounds like it would involve significant stresses, and that's after being in space for half a year to even get there. One small micrometeorite and you have a leaky envelope and the mission is over.

I think there was a proposal for a solar powered winged probe which although less cool, would be probably more likely to succeed.

Re:Signs of two gases in clouds of Venus could indicate life... by nickserv on Saturday July 20, 2024 @12:35PM (#41017690)
Some of the earlier Mars rovers used inflatable balloons to cushion the landing. They bounced around for dozens of meters on rocks without popping. Not an expert by any means, but would think it should be possible to inflate a gas bag at a certain altitude, after dumping the thermal shield and using a parachute to slow down.

A powered-flight probe would be interesting in that it could be more easily directed to specific areas and have the ability to stay over a given area. A balloon would likely not be as controllable.

But would be happy with any Venus mission, even a low altitude orbiter would be cool.