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Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by seanmcdirmid on Thursday July 18, 2024 @10:28PM (#41001604)
Old Soviet style communities get hot water from central plants, mainly used for heating but also for showers, so when winter is over, they shutdown the heating plants for the season and no hot water at all. Some places in Northern China hook into muni hot water for showers in the winter but use solar hot water in the summer, when hot showers can be a bit less satisfying (in my experience anyways).
Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by cyberax on Friday July 19, 2024 @01:28AM (#41002201)
> Old Soviet style communities get hot water from central plants, mainly used for heating but also for showers, so when winter is over, they shutdown the heating plants for the season and no hot water at all.

That's not quite correct. Thermal power plants supply heat, but local water heating stations can typically work autonomously.

Hot water is typically turned off to allow for maintenance and tests. Hot water pipes corrode about 10-20 _times_ faster than cold water pipes.

Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by monero-xmr on Friday July 19, 2024 @02:23AM (#41002453)
Lebanon has a non-functional government where all publicly-owned everything basically doesn't work. Beirut is essentially a libertarian enclave now, where everyone with means has their own solar panels and gas generators, self-produces all power, and the economy runs on paper US dollars and cryptocurrencies. It's amazing what people can do when their governments are non-existent.
Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by ClumsyPilot on Friday July 19, 2024 @03:20AM (#41002815)
How is police / crime doing?
Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by vasco on Friday July 19, 2024 @03:48AM (#41003050)
Terrible, as is inflation, as if almost everything else, and in the south of the country you got hezbollah bombing things. I'm not Lebanese so just know what I know from close friends, but the comment read very strange to me. Life is very difficult there, none of the Lebanese I know want to move back. I'm not sure why OP painted it as an anarchist utopia, that's definitely not what I hear.
Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by specproc on Friday July 19, 2024 @04:58AM (#41003796)
You also get Israel bombing the south of the country and a Syrian border run by drug cartels.

Agree with the sentiment on OP. These libertarian views are so often held by comfortable Americans who've never seen what an absence of government looks like.

Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by teractiveodular on Friday July 19, 2024 @05:56AM (#41004306)
The OP's handle of "monero-xmr" might give you a hint why.
Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by monero-xmr on Friday July 19, 2024 @09:41AM (#41006487)
I never said it was amazing, I said how the country is still functional and people are kept from starving to death, given the government is nonexistent
Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by snowpid on Friday July 19, 2024 @04:33AM (#41003556)
How is Hisbollah doing?
Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by TomK32 on Friday July 19, 2024 @04:12AM (#41003299)
District heating is common in many northern European cities, even Italy (e.g 55% of households in Turino). The USA has 2500 (as of 2013) such heating and cooling networks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_heating district cooling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_cooling
Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by SomeoneFromCA on Friday July 19, 2024 @05:42AM (#41004222)
It is so incorrect, it is boderline idiotic urban legend. post-Soviet cities have hot water year around; same heating plants used for winter heating, are used for hot water in summer time, albeit at lower power. Also waste heat from power plants used for the same purpose.
Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by throwaway290 on Friday July 19, 2024 @09:15AM (#41006203)
I'll fact check you since I was born and grew up in Russia. No water most of the summer used to be the norm in my city. Checking as of today, in two cities I know central hot water is off every summer for 2+ weeks. My city improved and another one regressed. In a third city I asked about (one of the coldest) it's off for just single digit days.
Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by SomeoneFromCA on Friday July 19, 2024 @09:36AM (#41006433)
What you describe is not normal today (unless we are talking about some Mukhosransk type of cities), and certainly was not normal in USSR, which kept civil infrastructure in a good shape.

As someone who is currently living in Central Asia, yes I do have no water for two weeks a year, they switch it off for "maintenance". However all last 5+ years, I had water through summer, with only occasional failures. We did have no heating one year, but water was all the time present.

Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by throwaway290 on Friday July 19, 2024 @09:53AM (#41006613)
Sure, they keep water hot in select cities, and the rest is Mukhosransk territory that doesn't matter. You could be from Moscow with that logic!

Respectfully you have no idea, planned hot water downtime in summer is reality for most cities in Russia (including SPb with official maximum length of two weeks), don't try to paint it look better than the mess it is.

Other post-Soviet countries probably do better, especially in Europe, but I have no info

Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by SomeoneFromCA on Friday July 19, 2024 @10:33AM (#41006961)
have you read the original post?

> Old Soviet style communities get hot water from central plants, mainly used for heating but also for showers, so when winter is over, they shutdown the heating plants for the season and no hot water at all

Because if you reread it, you'll get the ridiculousness of that claim. So what you saying that situation in ex-USSR is such that there is only hot water during the winter. This is ridiculous, even taking into account grievances you have about Russian infrastructure.

Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by Damogran6 on Friday July 19, 2024 @11:22AM (#41007405)
It's almost as if USSR and China are vast territories and experience might vary.
Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by SomeoneFromCA on Friday July 19, 2024 @12:35PM (#41008247)
Exactly my point.
Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by throwaway290 on Friday July 19, 2024 @06:48PM (#41012240)
Your point was "post-Soviet cities have hot water year around", and your point was wrong.
Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by SomeoneFromCA on Saturday July 20, 2024 @06:08AM (#41015378)
My point was that the original poster was wrong saying that Soviet and Post-soviet cities had and have hot water only during winters. This is idiocy; you know that, I know that. Right now, while I am writing, my relative is using hot water to wash her head.

What is your point?

Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by throwaway290 on Saturday July 20, 2024 @08:06AM (#41015877)
"Right now my relative is using hot water to wash her head" is very far cry from "having water all year round"

By the way, that's not quite a flex since people still use hot water to wash heads when there's no central hot water. My friends and relatives in Russia were doing that before this month ;) (spoiler: kettles and buckets)

Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by throwaway290 on Friday July 19, 2024 @06:40PM (#41012173)
You said

> It is so incorrect, it is boderline idiotic urban legend. post-Soviet cities have hot water year around.

Probably every city in Russia most certainly don't have water "all year around", and never have going back into USSR times.

How the plants work exactly I have nothing to say, but if there is an urban legend perpetuated here then I'll tell it which it is: it's how good soviet and Russian infrastructure is.

Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by seanmcdirmid on Friday July 19, 2024 @03:20PM (#41010098)
Even if you've never had to take cold showers in the summer, I have. I'm not sure why you can't believe our experiences would differ. The only reason I mentioned the USSR at all is because when I asked in China they said they got the system from them (and south of the Yangtze, you don't even get that).
Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by SomeoneFromCA on Saturday July 20, 2024 @06:05AM (#41015366)
Not sure what is your point. You've mentioned USSR and it was wrong, as Soviet System has never been like that - "hot water only during the winter". Ergo, you should not have brought up USSR.
Re:What it's like to be the only tourist in Moldova, Europe'... by danayfm on Saturday July 20, 2024 @08:23AM (#41015976)
Makes sense, but when I asked most people answered that it was to save natural gas.