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Re:What would it take to recreate Bell Labs? by GreedIsGood on Thursday July 18, 2024 @05:14PM (#40999812)
None of this addresses perhaps the main issue. Bell Labs predated the venture capital revolution of the 1970s.

The key insight of venture capital was that firms like Bell Labs were holding on to very valuable resources at compensation rates that were far below what those resources could generate if they were empowered to create their own firms.

This was tremendously successful. While we have no counterfactual, innovation in the US blosomed ove the last 50 years. The fundamental research may have languished (I would probably disagree, moore's law didn't happen through magic for example) a tremendous number of companies, and all of the large companies we know of today, which provide all of the services of the modern world were a result of venture capital.

Re:What would it take to recreate Bell Labs? by saagarjha on Thursday July 18, 2024 @08:05PM (#41000903)
Relevant username, I guess
Re:What would it take to recreate Bell Labs? by coliveira on Thursday July 18, 2024 @06:08PM (#41000215)
Moore's law is dead in the USA for almost 20 years. The improvements we see come from research in Asia and the Netherlands.

Also the idea that US tech companies are doing much innovation is debatable. They are designing products for the international markets, but the core technologies are more and more coming from Asia.

Re:What would it take to recreate Bell Labs? by shrubble on Thursday July 18, 2024 @07:23PM (#41000677)
ASML is using basic research that was funded by the US government; that is why the US has the ability to veto/restrict who ASML sells the encumbered EUV and related other tech innovations, to.
Re:What would it take to recreate Bell Labs? by coliveira on Thursday July 18, 2024 @10:29PM (#41001609)
Yes, the research was initially done in the US. The current research and development is now done by the group in Netherlands. There is nothing in the US that comes close to what they have now.
Re:What would it take to recreate Bell Labs? by dgfitz on Thursday July 18, 2024 @11:53PM (#41001900)
One of us has our geography confused, I think.
Re:What would it take to recreate Bell Labs? by kryptiskt on Friday July 19, 2024 @06:15AM (#41004467)
It's not just ASML that is involved in R&D for new chip nodes. And ASML itself has a large part of its operations in the US.
Re:What would it take to recreate Bell Labs? by vinnyvichy on Friday July 19, 2024 @06:19AM (#41004506)
VC is great for anything that doesn't need continuous cooperation from more than 1 domain of expertise, or where no expertise is even needed at the outset. Meritocracy, but atomized meritocracy.

Hence, great for software (and certain Schwerpunkte in hardware scaling) --- not innovation in general, but in fact solidifying a technological caste system: designers > SWE > HWE > every other kind of technical expert

Otherwise, you do need a Bell Labs to make sure your various experts are talking to one another and not constantly in fear of backstabbing by the management, their interns, other experts. (Especially considering in universities these days, rival groups in the same department have to make the same kind of calculations before cooperating)

I can see that YC does pay lip service to building community and such, but perhaps VC is too successful for its own good.

Re:What would it take to recreate Bell Labs? by SuperNinKenDo on Thursday July 18, 2024 @05:25PM (#40999917)
I'm not sure that last part lands quite the way you meant it to.