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Re:For advertising: Firefox now collects user data by default by closewith on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @07:58AM (#40975696)
It certainly reads defensively.

> It’s an open source project, people will 100% notice if they tried to do what the parent comment is suggesting.

No-one thinks they'll lie about it. They'd announce it quietly just like this change, letting the fuss blow over. The average user would never even realise and Firefox would continue on its journey towards user hostility.

Re:For advertising: Firefox now collects user data by default by Klonoar on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @08:53AM (#40976055)
You’re certainly welcome to read it however you’d like.

OP specifically said “make the setting do nothing while still collecting the data”. I don’t know about you, but a setting that acts like that would be akin to lying.

The comment chain is pretty clear here IMO.

Re:For advertising: Firefox now collects user data by default by closewith on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @09:49AM (#40976599)
> OP specifically said “make the setting do nothing while still collecting the data”. I don’t know about you, but a setting that acts like that would be akin to lying.

Well, that is what Firefox did here. They created a new feature, defaulted it to on, in direct contradiction to user choices. We know this because this Web Site Advertising feature defaults to on even where the user has the strictest level of tracking protection enabled and even when the DNT option is selected. Even so, Mozilla has decided that this form of tracking is not covered by those clear signals of user intent.

So why not believe that Mozilla will do this again. Deprecate existing tracking choices and enable Web Site Advertising tracking for everyone. Like this change, it would be announced and decried and ultimately used by the majority of users who don't follow browser changelogs.

What will happen is that privacy advocates like me will recommend not to use Firefox, as it's functionally equivalant to Chrome is this respect and far less supported, and Firefox will continue to die.

This pains me as a former contributor and advocate, but it's almost inevitable now unless a privacy-focused non-profit can fork Firefox and leave Mozilla to it's decline. I would even pay for a Firefox fork, but I will never donate to or purchase again from Mozilla.

Re:For advertising: Firefox now collects user data by default by Klonoar on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @11:04AM (#40977276)
> Well, that is what Firefox did here.

No, let's be very clear here: what Mozilla/Firefox did here was default users in to a setting without good notice on how to opt out.

This is different from what was said in this thread, which is making the setting do nothing while still collecting the data. If you disable the setting/opt out, then the data isn't being collected.

Re:For advertising: Firefox now collects user data by default by closewith on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @12:16PM (#40977887)
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