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Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by linearrust on Monday July 15, 2024 @06:59PM (#40972220)
Example of how punctuation can make all the difference...

'... and the problem is: The US is supporting Israel and supplying it with weapons. Neither Presidential candidate has any intention of changing that, nor is there majority Congressional support for changing it.'

The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel. And yet nearly all of congress, presidential candidates, etc are in favor of it. Something is awry with representative government when nearly 100% of the politicians are not representative of the american people.

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by sadboi31 on Monday July 15, 2024 @07:13PM (#40972302)
Mass censorship and search friction does that to people. So far as the war on empathy goes HN is lost.
Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by CrazyStat on Monday July 15, 2024 @07:13PM (#40972299)
> The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel.

Your friends and people you interact with may be mostly against. It’s not clear that Americans generally are.

Pew [1] has a pretty much even split on military support for Israel, with 36% favoring it, 35% against it, and 29% either on the fence or unsure. Only 22% in the same poll say that Biden is favoring Israel too much.

[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-i...

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by linearrust on Monday July 15, 2024 @08:42PM (#40972738)
Do you and cupertino work in the same office? Both of you are peddling the same talking points. It's the same thing in every israel related thread. All over social media. More american tax dollars at work I suppose.

> Pew [1] has a pretty much even split on military support for Israel

That's embarrassing given the decades long pro-israel propaganda campaign and the nearly 100% political backing.

But me and my 'remarkably absurd logic'. Using my 'remarkably absurd logic', I'm guessing this thread is flagged because the 'antisemites' who run this site don't want to see the outpouring of love of israel. Every israel related thread must be flagged because of the impending pro-israel comments from americans. Right?

Every social media platform censors because they don't want americans to drown israelis with love. It all makes sense now.

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by Cupertino95014 on Monday July 15, 2024 @08:51PM (#40972788)
> a pretty much even split

that reminds me of the "mostly peaceful protests" in Portland.

Face it: not everyone agrees with you. That's our right.

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by advael on Saturday July 20, 2024 @01:11PM (#41017954)
That's silly. The police were doing a considerable amount of violent suppression of protests in Portland. People even started calling the mayor "tear gas Ted"

The protestors themselves mostly did property crimes though. The "broken windows" crowd and the far right media tried to make this out to be "violence", but even the police-reported violent crime statistics don't really support that view

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by CrazyStat on Monday July 15, 2024 @08:49PM (#40972776)
On our side we have actual polls, on your side you have a bunch of snide remarks and mental gymnastics.

“In God we trust, all others bring data.” —Deming (maybe)

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by linearrust on Monday July 15, 2024 @09:14PM (#40972898)
> On our side we have actual polls

Our side? What side is that? Israel's side?

> on your side you have a bunch of snide remarks and mental gymnastics.

If that was the case, you and your buddy/alt account wouldn't be so frantically responding to me.

> “In God we trust, all others bring data.” —Deming (maybe)

You have to do a poll to see if your parents love you too? If america's support of israel is so apparent, you wouldn't need polls. You certainly wouldn't need to censor so heavily.

This is getting stupid. This is the problem with israel. I don't give a shit about it. America ( at least 99% of it ) has nothing to do with it. And yet, it is wasting so much of my time and america's time. I hope within my lifetime we won't have to waste so much time and resources on a foreign nonsense. Whether that be israel, taiwan, cuba, etc. More importantly, I hope one day americans can express ourselves freely as is our right.

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by Cupertino95014 on Monday July 15, 2024 @09:50PM (#40973055)
We're not frantic. You can go ahead and stop responding anytime.

"Censor" - I guess that's your term for "disagree." AFAICT you're free to say whatever you like about Israel. Like you're doing right now.

No one has to pay attention to you, though. Maybe that's your idea of censorship.

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by CrazyStat on Monday July 15, 2024 @09:46PM (#40973037)
> Our side? What side is that? Israel's side?

The side of people who recognize that the following statement is false:

> The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel.

> If that was the case, you and your buddy/alt account wouldn't be so frantically responding to me.

This is funny because you're responding as fast as both of us put together but somehow we're the "frantic" ones.

The rest is more of the same snide remarks and mental gymnastics so I won't bother responding to it.

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by Cupertino95014 on Monday July 15, 2024 @07:08PM (#40972278)
> The american people are mostly against israel

I'm afraid you're going to need some support for that statement.

https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-i...

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-views-divided-us-p...

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by linearrust on Monday July 15, 2024 @07:22PM (#40972361)
> I'm afraid you're going to need some support for that statement.

My lived experience as an american...

Of course with 24/7 blanket pro-israel propaganda, neverending hollywood holocaust propaganda movies and god knows how many holocaust memorials, people will answer in a certain way when asked in a poll. Not to mention you can game polls to push an agenda.

But if the american people really viewed israel favorably, you wouldn't need 24/7 blanket pro-israel propaganda. You wouldn't need hollywood pumping out holocaust propaganda movies year after year. You wouldn't need to build dozens of holocaust memorials in the US.

You wouldn't need censorship against 'anti-semitism' even though israel is not a semitic state, while palestine funnily enough is a semitic state.

Your problem is you live in a censored bubble. Most americans either are ambivalent towards or have a negative view of israel. If what you believed was true, this thread wouldn't be flagged. Notice how every israel related thread is censored?

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by Cupertino95014 on Monday July 15, 2024 @07:32PM (#40972398)
> Your problem is you live in a censored bubble.

No, I don't have a "problem"; I just have a different opinion than you do.

But your problem IS: you refuse to admit when you've been proven wrong. You made a statement; I demonstrated it was incorrect. Game over.

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by linearrust on Monday July 15, 2024 @07:41PM (#40972447)
Okay. I'm wrong. That's why 38 states have made it illegal to boycott israel. We love israel so much that you shouldn't be allowed to boycott it right? But then again, if we loved israel, nobody would boycott israel in the first place and we wouldn't need laws barring people from boycotting israel. It's amazing how many anti-american laws are created solely for israel's benefit.

You are right. We love israel. So lets tear down those silly holocaust memorials in the US and create memorials for native americans who were actually genocided in the US. A holocaust memorial in the US is as silly as a lenape genocide memorial in germany.

You should let the ADL and the thousands of israel aligned groups in the US that their services are no longer required.

America <heart> israel.

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by Cupertino95014 on Monday July 15, 2024 @08:07PM (#40972573)
Fine w/me. We certainly don't love the terrorists. So I guess we're done here.
Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by CrazyStat on Monday July 15, 2024 @07:46PM (#40972476)
This is some remarkably absurd logic.
Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by AnnikaL on Monday July 15, 2024 @08:49PM (#40972777)
I doubt that the primary purpose of having memorials for and movies about the Holocaust, which happened 80 years ago in Europe, is to influence opinions on current foreign policy towards the Middle East.
Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by UIUC_06 on Monday July 15, 2024 @10:39PM (#40973275)
I'm curious now: what's the difference between "experience" and "lived experience"?
Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by weatherlite on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @02:34AM (#40974077)
Perhaps he emphasizes he isn't an A.I
Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by Cupertino95014 on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @11:28AM (#40977457)
Ah, interesting. Although since they use that BS term on Oprah all the time, I doubt that's their intent.
Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by weatherlite on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @02:35AM (#40974082)
> neverending hollywood holocaust propaganda

In what way is there hollywood holocaust propaganda? You feel like the events described in the holocaust didn't really take place that way or do you think we should tone them down quite a bit because they "help" Israel too much?

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by Cupertino95014 on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @11:30AM (#40977482)
Bingo. The US was complicit in the Holocaust by not admitting Jews before the war.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/voyage-of-...

But you're right: they're "tired of hearing about the Holocaust." I'll bet they are.

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by weatherlite on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @02:30AM (#40974055)
> The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel

Source ? Also the issue of monetary aid is different than general support. I assume many Americans don't want to send billions to Europe/Nato either yet they still support Europe.

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by seanmcdirmid on Friday July 19, 2024 @04:46PM (#41010996)
> The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel. And yet nearly all of congress, presidential candidates, etc are in favor of it. Something is awry with representative government when nearly 100% of the politicians are not representative of the american people.

Conservatives are becoming more isolationist, and would just prefer Arabs and the Middle East descend into a huge war without American involvement. Some liberals take Palestinian sides, but most Americans are actually fairly negative on it right now, with the belief that Hamas is intentionally using its own people as human shields. Politically speaking, there is more sympathy by Americans for Israel than Gaza, but there is a lot of cynicism since it seems like real solutions are not going to happen in our lifetime.

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by shrimp_emoji on Friday July 19, 2024 @04:51PM (#41011056)
I feel like Americans in general are becoming more isolationist. Historically, that's been America's bend anyway. It always took being attacked or being sold on threats by career politicians to get involved in the world. And that's a privileged and great place to be!

Personally, I'm against it. It's hard to cosign letting the Taliban redo gender apartheid in Afghanistan and banning education for girls and all the rest. But, if Americans are determined to live in a "nuclear-armed Switzerland", interventionism won't work anyway since it needs political will to succeed (see Afghanistan)... sooo I guess I'm an begrudging isolationist too now.

Re:Ties between Google's Project Nimbus and Israel's military by seanmcdirmid on Friday July 19, 2024 @06:18PM (#41011990)
One of the nice things about moving to EVs is not caring so much about the price of oil anymore. America is one of the countries less enthusiastic about that (since we produce lots of oil), but other countries not caring so much about the Middle East anymore would probably actually make it a more peaceful than it is now.