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Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by untog on Monday June 11, 2012 @02:06PM (#4095927)
Once you go Air, you never go back. And this year's Air announcement (like last year's) is pretty 'meh', so I'll be keeping with my old faithful 2010 Air for the time being. The retina displays are fantastic, but as a web dev I'm already dreading the merry havoc it's going to wreak with images on web pages.

On a wider note, I feel myself... drifting away from all of this. In previous years I would have been all over WWDC live blogs and so on- this year I'm already fed up with my Twitter stream being filled with it, and am dreading the Hacker News front page being liberally coated with Apple. I am happy to just read the post-game analysis after the fact. Reality Distortion Field Fatigue, perhaps?

Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by sciurus on Monday June 11, 2012 @02:10PM (#4095961)
The option of 8GB of RAM is nice, since the RAM isn't upgradable.
Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by rdl on Monday June 11, 2012 @02:12PM (#4095968)
2010 Air did t have AES-NI either, which made FileVault slow. 2011 MBA just lacks 8gb; I think I will be sticking with mine since I do my heavy VM work on another machine.

Lack of gigabit Ethernet on the big pro air makes me sad, though.

Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by stock_toaster on Monday June 11, 2012 @02:31PM (#4096073)
Integrated gigabit. There is apparently going to be a thunderbolt gigabit ethernet dongle, and thunderbolt can actually support gigabit speeds.
Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by veemjeem on Monday June 11, 2012 @05:10PM (#4097031)
There's already a thunderbolt gigabit ethernet dongle called the "thunderbolt display", although it's probably too big for people to carry around with them.
Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by neilc on Monday June 11, 2012 @05:23PM (#4097121)
Well, there's also already (as of today anyway) a thunderbolt to gigabit ethernet adapter for $29.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD463ZM/A?fnode=MTY1NDA3Ng

Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by Havoc on Monday June 11, 2012 @03:26PM (#4096385)
>Lack of gigabit Ethernet on the big pro air makes me sad, though.

Presumably the logic is that its all wifi these days anyway.

Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by rdl on Monday June 11, 2012 @03:32PM (#4096419)
Except it isn't. The real problem is that the RJ-45 connector is huge and antiquated, so it can't fit on the MBA form factor. I work in a lot of places where GE makes a lot more sense (inside a datacenter, in places which prohibit wireless, or places where you want to be connected to multiple different networks). I guarantee the $99 (?) thunderbolt to gig-e dongle gets left on a cable somewhere several times, which will suck, same as the mbp/tb to DVI things.

Kind of silly given that the new Macbook Pro Air HD Super 15 has a better display than anything else I own, so I'm not going to necessarily want to put a 1920x1200 24" or even 2560x1600 30" in the center of my desk with it -- I'd treat the laptop display as primary, on a stand, with a keyboard. But Apple doesn't make a docking solution, and the Belkin/Matrox docks have been vaporware for over a year.

Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by catch23 on Monday June 11, 2012 @05:30PM (#4097150)
Their docking solution is their thunderbolt display. When I go home, I plug in 2 cables (thunderbolt & power) and I've got everything connected.

Their thunderbolt ethernet adapter is $30: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD463ZM/A

Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by rdl on Monday June 11, 2012 @05:40PM (#4097191)
TB display is 1) glossy, meh 2) only has the Apple connectors, so it's not usable by non-Apple equipment at all. Even when you use exclusively Apple laptops, it's a pain to not be able to plug servers/etc. into them temporarily. It's also too big to carry -- one use case for this kind of thing is to set up somewhere for a couple days (hotel room, consultant at a desk, etc.), where bringing a laptop and small dock is reasonable, but a 27" display, not as much. There's also the somewhat-longer replacement cycle on monitors; I'm fine with Dell 3011s or even 3008s from...2008, but all my laptops are 2011+.

Even when setting up hotdesks for guests, it's unclear if you could put just a TB display in them -- enough people will have non-TB macs, or non-macs, to require something else. Maybe you could have some percentage TB display, but a good third-party dock + a display which can take multiple inputs (DVI, HDMI, MDP via adapter, TB to adapter to monitor) seems like a better choice. Uglier, yes.

For personal/home use in a dark room with only 2011+ macs, and if you have a spare 15" for other temporary use, then sure, it's a good option.

Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by jsz0 on Monday June 11, 2012 @04:31PM (#4096771)
$30 for the ThunderBolt GigE adapter. It's possible people will lose them but you do have to physically disconnect the RJ45 from it before you can leave (unless you have a very long cable) so it's not a big problem really. Easier to lose your untethered car keys, wallet, etc.
Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by rdl on Monday June 11, 2012 @05:31PM (#4097154)
Yeah, at $30 I'm not as upset. I still predict they'll be annoying, but if you bring your own cat5e cable too (vs. plugging into an existing cable), it's less likely it will be left behind. (I'll probably order one for my 2011 MBA anyway).

Keys/wallet/etc. remain in pockets when not in use, though -- so they're a LOT less likely to be abandoned than something which is small, connected to another long cable, etc.

Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by mahyarm on Monday June 11, 2012 @05:38PM (#4097185)
They sell a thunderbolt->gigbit ethernet adaptor for $30 with the air pro.
Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by megablast on Monday June 11, 2012 @02:50PM (#4096168)
Bigger flash drives are good as well, I think they may go up to 768gb, or at least 512gb.
Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by bobobojer on Monday June 11, 2012 @03:44PM (#4096496)
Anyone have any opinions on whether you'll be able to hack in some 8gb memory chips in last year's verison of MBA?
Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by encoderer on Monday June 11, 2012 @04:31PM (#4096769)
You'll be able to replace the entire main board most likely, but that's it. The chips are not able to simply be re-soldered.

But if you're going to do that, just sell your existing Air and buy a new one..

Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by jjcm on Monday June 11, 2012 @06:15PM (#4097342)
Agreed. The air was one of my best computer purchases I've made. It's far faster than I expected something in that form factor, and it generally handles everything I throw at it. That said, the display in these new pros is very tempting. I do a lot of design and video work, so having more is definitely better in this case. We'll see if that display gets trickled down into the other lines during the next revision.
Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by sliverstorm on Monday June 11, 2012 @04:50PM (#4096885)
On a wider note, I feel myself... drifting away from all of this.

That happens. In my case, it's the "seen it all before" effect.

It would be exciting if something really noteworthy was happening, but a bump in resolution or a new I/O interface are not groundbreaking changes in computing.

Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by encoderer on Monday June 11, 2012 @04:29PM (#4096758)
Have you seen performance benchmarks for the 2010 air vs just the 2011 (which i own btw)?

Personally, i think the 2011 Air is a great machine and offering 8GB on it now is all that needed to be done to keep it a great machine for another year.

But definitely, certainly, the 2010 to 2011 update was important in terms of performance.

Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by Keyframe on Monday June 11, 2012 @04:44PM (#4096853)
I bought Air in January, with 4GB RAM and 265GB SSD. They have upgraded only things that would need an upgrade, machine form factor is perfect (especially if you're on the go nonstop) and battery life extraordinary for that size.
Re:MacBook Pro gets Retina Display; MacBook Air updated with... by bbgm on Monday June 11, 2012 @03:25PM (#4096375)
I have a late 2011 Air and it's worth the upgrade from the 2010 Air (which I had before that). I won't be upgrading to the new Air, cause the one I have does very well, but the new 15" MBP is definitely tempting