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Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by jampekka on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @11:24AM (#40917187)
Isn't that exactly what a homo economicus should do? Remember that we are each in constant competition between each other, trying to satisfy our unlimited wants and trying to get others from satisfying theirs.
Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by cmcaleer on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @12:10PM (#40917757)
Spending time to cost a company a few hundred bucks doesn’t seem rational. There are higher EV ways to spend your time to try to satisfy wants.

Unless your mindset is one of “it’s not enough that I succeed; others must fail by my hand”.

That said I could easily imagine doing some stuff like this as a teenager for giggles. There’s some small joy in being a minor troublemaker in a way nobody would actually care about. It’s not something I’d brag about though.

Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by callalex on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @11:53AM (#40917553)
If you think that living life requires you to constantly put down others, I just feel sad for both you and all the people who have to be around you.
Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by jampekka on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @12:11PM (#40917769)
I don't, but our economic system is based on and rewards that. It does feel sad.
Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by s1artibartfast on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @12:32PM (#40918023)
I dont think it rewards it at all. Things like this are just negative sum activities lashing out.
Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by robertlagrant on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @04:48PM (#40920919)
Our economic system in no way rewards spite. It rewards value. It might not always be able to tell the difference between real value and underhanded tactics, but that's because the tactics masquerade as better value.
Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by pjlegato on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @05:09PM (#40921166)
On the contrary, capitalism is based on providing value to others. It rewards those who do something that others actually WANT... as opposed to what some roomful of bureaucrats decide ought to be done.
Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by ncruces on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @12:19PM (#40917889)
What selfish purpose is there to download GBs of images from Stripe docs?

Even if we're purely selfish, wasting resources just to stick it to others is not really a productive use of our time.

Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by __MatrixMan__ on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @01:39PM (#40918799)
I think it depends on just how much harm your target causing. Sometimes taking them down is the right thing. Doesn't feel justified in this case though.
Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by adversaryIdiot on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @01:14PM (#40918451)
yes, lets stare at the water for 20 hours instead
Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by s1artibartfast on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @01:37PM (#40918763)
There are more than two options for a 20 hour wait, and I don't think that lashing out maliciously and staring at water are in my top 100. How about conversation, making friends, reading a book, writing emails, letters, or journals?
Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by calfuris on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @12:43PM (#40918126)
Homo economicus is motivated by maximizing their own benefit, not by spite. Trying to stop others from satisfying their own wants may be a useful strategy in many cases, but I don't see how it would be useful here.
Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by apantel on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @07:24PM (#40922322)
When homo economicus is thwarted in its efforts to maximize its own benefit, spite arises.
Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by s1artibartfast on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @01:11PM (#40918422)
Genuinely curious where you get that impression.

Who in their right mind wants to stop others from getting what they want for it's own sake, or sees the quest for happiness as a competition?

Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by ryandrake on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @05:35PM (#40921447)
Some people are simply not satisfied with maximizing their own gain, they also need to minimize everyone else's. Someone else's benefit is their loss. To the point where they'll make the game negative-sum in order to ensure The Other loses.
Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by s1artibartfast on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @06:48PM (#40922115)
Some people are sadistic cretins who revel in the suffering of others, but I don't think that is the mainstream position.

I was pushing back on the idea that "homo economicus" or mainstream economics advocates for competitive sabotage. I have never heard academic economists advocate for this as a rational position.

If anything, the field is biased to over-emphasize positive collaboration.

The position of the parent post is some strange application of group competition for a scarce resource to happiness.

It assumes that someone's goal is not be be as happy as possible, but rather happier than others. This is the only situation where it makes sense to actively put in work to make other people more miserable.

Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by wang_li on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @01:20PM (#40918556)
It's interesting that you can't see that what capitalism does is push everyone to contribute in doing something useful for others.
Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by account42 on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @07:23AM (#40925731)
And then everyone lived happily ever after.
Re:PySkyWiFi: Free stupid wi-fi on long-haul flights by dacryn on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @02:01AM (#40924114)
no you describe narcissistic personality disorder.

Homo economicus would try get as much as possible for himself, or have others bear the cost (e.g. have society pay for roads but don't want to pay taxes).

They would not lower the quality of service for someone else out of spite without any gain for themselves, let alone waste time on it. They would also understand this would rise the cost of the service they might potentially want to use in the future.

Only narcissists would feel the desire to fuck up a service out of spite and ruin it for anyone else, just because they feel bad for not agreeing to the deal of having to pay