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Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by teeray on Friday July 05, 2024 @04:33PM (#40885749)
It’d be nice to have a fair use tool, identifying when copyrighted music is a fair use.
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by ricardobayes on Friday July 05, 2024 @04:51PM (#40885885)
I know a few small youtubers who make "walk around" live-stream type videos and they always struggle with music from bars etc. It's always kind of funny when they attempt to talk over the music or start walking faster. Kind of sad how megacorporations can affect our behavior.

I hope this won't spill over to a general deterioration or avoidance of music. People are really good at copying behavior they see from people they see as "authoritative figures" and influencers are that, for young people.

Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by Waterluvian on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:10PM (#40886048)
I feel like if any meaningful amount of society adopted a “avoid copyrighted music” behaviour, the problem would resolve itself pretty fast.
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by TeMPOraL on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:16PM (#40886085)
Oh my, now I'm imagining a hipster bar that uses "only playing non-copyrighted music" as a way to incentivize all the wannabe youtubers and instagrammers and tiktokers to record their content there.
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by teeray on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:52PM (#40886361)
There is a brewery near me that plays only Grateful Dead and anything before 19-whatever-it-is to avoid needing a license to “perform” it.
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by Waterluvian on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:18PM (#40886100)
Human music!
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by BolexNOLA on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:26PM (#40886158)
Boop boop boop. Boop boop boop. Boop boop boop.
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by spankalee on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:30PM (#40886194)
That roughly amounts to "avoid all recorded music" right now.

If you don't like music, sure... but I'm not willing to be that ascetic.

Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by Waterluvian on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:44PM (#40886304)
No, the opposite. If people in large numbers are avoiding music, then the industry will behave better about copyright. They want people to listen to music.
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by talldayo on Friday July 05, 2024 @06:06PM (#40886482)
> If people in large numbers are avoiding music, then the industry will behave better about copyright.

Has there ever been a significant point in history where this has happened? It feels like the opposite happens; when people conscientiously object to the music industry, said industry doubles down on their authority to control music. Radio license agreements, home taping, internet-distribution and now the YouTube/social media era are all punctuated by license-holders reaffirming their control, fair use and popularity be damned.

Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by Waterluvian on Friday July 05, 2024 @06:55PM (#40886781)
I have no sense that this will ever happen. More speaking to the hypothetical being raised.
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by Aerroon on Friday July 05, 2024 @11:49PM (#40888043)
And if that doesn't work they will argue that they must get a cut from every CD, DVD, harddrive, and SSD sale too. Because, you know, me needing more space for my own projects is why the music industry deserves my money.

They behave like the mob.

Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by spankalee on Friday July 05, 2024 @07:18PM (#40886918)
I listen to a lot of great albums, and my life would be poorer without them. Why would I give up listening to the music I love?
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by sandworm101 on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:37PM (#40886256)
So live music only. Nothing recorded. All original pieces without sheet music or written lyrics. Nothing online or ever via a digital system with a memory function. No portable music players, not even 8-tracks. It would be one big ren faire of wandering bards creating ad hoc songs for coins.
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by clob on Friday July 05, 2024 @07:14PM (#40886895)
unionize musicians
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by Am4TIfIsER0ppos on Friday July 05, 2024 @08:42PM (#40887324)
Like hollywood I expect the music industry is full of unions, perhaps so full they'll come and break your fingers for being a scab.
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by Waterluvian on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:45PM (#40886311)
I was thinking more that it would cause companies to have no choice but to chill out about copyright… but you’re kinda selling me on this vision instead.
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by cwillu on Saturday July 06, 2024 @03:13AM (#40888696)
I haven't played a piece from sheet music in years, and I still get stuff demonetized. You in fact have to know the common themes well enough to _avoid_ playing things that sound too much like them.
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by geor9e on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:06PM (#40886011)
It would be nice to have free AGI lawyers, agreed
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by mikae1 on Friday July 05, 2024 @04:47PM (#40885850)
Fair use doesn't exist in many jurisdictions (where artists may come from). I would assume carpet bombing is easier than surgery.
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by mananaysiempre on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:21PM (#40886115)
Fair use may not exist, but rights of citation or parody still do.
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by mike_d on Friday July 05, 2024 @08:37PM (#40887303)
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by realusername on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:08PM (#40886029)
YouTube doesn't respect fair use anyways in any country.
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by teeray on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:10PM (#40886049)
Because copyright holders hate Fair Use
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by JoshTriplett on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:24PM (#40886143)
Which would be irrelevant except YouTube's copyright strike system is effectively run by the copyright holders, and thus goes far further than the law requires.
Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by crazygringo on Friday July 05, 2024 @08:21PM (#40887238)
That's not really possible, because there are a lot of contextual factors that go into fair use that ultimately depend on what a jury would decide.

I.e. a tool would have to ascertain whether a clip of music in a larger video was being used as part of film criticism (allowed) or as musical accompaniment to a comedy scene (not allowed). Even in a film criticism clip, the music is allowed if it's part of the analysis, but not if it's used as "branding".

So that distinction simply can't be made by a tool, not even with current AI. Heck, in important enough situations that are gray areas, people go to court and it takes a jury to decide.

Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by jefftk on Friday July 05, 2024 @08:39PM (#40887313)
> That's not really possible, ... a tool would have to ascertain

My guess is you could build an AI + limited human review tool that would do it better than the 75th percentile lawyer. But there's not much reason for YouTube to invest in this.

Re:YouTube's eraser tool removes copyrighted music without i... by genewitch on Monday July 08, 2024 @12:03AM (#40902516)
and when >50% of pop songs have the same 4 note progression i'm not entirely sure what would be accomplished, in the general sense. I'm not sure where i heard it, but it was back when i was composing nearly full time: "All notes have already been played in every order." Merely adding rests or lengthening or shortening notes or adding effects doesn't "fix" anything about the underlying problem.

Meanwhile "Old Town Road" was made by "buying" the "rights" to an instrumental track that was created by Trent Reznor, but Trent Reznor had to be told that someone was using Ghosts 34. IIRC the "beat" was "bought" for less than a meal at a fast food restaurant, not from Reznor (or NIN, or Nothing Records, etc).

I made $0 after spending about a decade composing, writing, arranging over 4 solo albums and an additional 6 albums with another person. One thing of note, though, was the "Napster Bad" metallica workaround on file sharing apps was to change the name of the band... to our band name. We didn't stand a chance.