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Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by shiroiushi on Friday July 05, 2024 @02:59AM (#40880369)
I can't imagine doing this: DVDs look SO awful on modern displays that it's just not worth watching them. Besides, you can get super-high-quality copies elsewhere if you want your own copy of something. Of course, then you have to worry about storing it long-term, using various backup and archival strategies.
Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by theshrike79 on Friday July 05, 2024 @03:07AM (#40880410)
If the option is not watching at all vs DVD, you still kinda need to pick the DVD.

There are many worthwile movies you can't find anywhere (legally) unless you own the DVD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma_(film)#Rights_issues

And then there are the ye olde Criterion Collection DVDs with exclusive extras like commentary tracks that can't be reprinted because of licensing issues.

Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by mikae1 on Friday July 05, 2024 @03:34AM (#40880532)
> you still kinda need to pick the DVD.

Or the high seas...

Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by theshrike79 on Friday July 05, 2024 @10:23AM (#40883047)
On some cases it may or may not be easier and faster to hit the high seas instead of bothering with ripping :)
Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by upon_drumhead on Friday July 05, 2024 @03:14AM (#40880440)
Not every HD redo is better.

https://youtu.be/oZWNGq70Oyo

And honestly a ton of why dvds look so terrible is people forgot about deinterlacing. Toggle it on and things look a lot better.

Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by shiroiushi on Friday July 05, 2024 @03:20AM (#40880464)
It's not just the interlacing, the main problem is the terrible resolution. Upscaling can only do so much; it's not going to make 480p video look decent on a 75" 4k screen.

As for HD redos, for movies this isn't an issue: they were all made on 35mm (or 70mm) film. Yeah, for some old 80s-90s show that was tragically shot on videotape, it's going to look like shit no matter what, so you're just stuck with that unfortunately.

Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by lloeki on Friday July 05, 2024 @03:59AM (#40880667)
> As for HD redos, for movies this isn't an issue: they were all made on 35mm (or 70mm) film

Doesn't matter when they remaster it to be way too dark or screw up with colours and tone mapping to give it a "more modern" tint.

Some are also re-cut from original aspect ratios (whether 4:3 or CinemaScope) to be equal or closer to 16:9.

e.g The Wire on DVD is 4:3 (as originally shot) and has been re-framed to 16:9 on BD. They did a a seriously good job at it but it really changes the impact and/or mood of some key scenes. And that's when it goes well.

On the other end of the spectrum I've seen 2.55:1 movies butchered into some lazy [anything-between 1.77 and 2]:1 crop + autopan conversion "remaster". Those are 1080p alright and not upscales but are a totally shoddy cash-grab job.

Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by dawnerd on Friday July 05, 2024 @03:57AM (#40880654)
It is an issue for movies. There’s been plenty of “HD” Blu-ray releases that just used the dvd master and upscaled it.
Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by shiroiushi on Friday July 05, 2024 @04:00AM (#40880674)
Really? Any well-known examples? Why would they do such a thing, unless they either 1. don't have the original film any more or 2. are just being cheap?
Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by dawnerd on Saturday July 06, 2024 @02:08PM (#40892056)
There was a list floating around but its been a long time. Now days its very common to have fake 4k masters.

https://www.digiraw.com/DVD-4K-Bluray-ripping-service/4K-UHD...

I don't think anyone upscaled a dvd recently for release on BR though, was mainly an issue right around when BR came out in the rush to get content out. Same with UHDs, today it shouldn't be as much of an issue.

Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by kalleboo on Friday July 05, 2024 @04:54AM (#40881011)
> As for HD redos, for movies this isn't an issue

The movie studios still manage to mess it up, changing the colors/contrast and using terrible AI de-noising that wipes out actual details

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkNFZkUHeKQ

Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by prmoustache on Friday July 05, 2024 @03:21AM (#40880466)
That is why I am using a beamer. I may lose in outright resolution, but not in viewing experience.
Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by eru on Friday July 05, 2024 @03:26AM (#40880488)
I think they are called projectors in English?
Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by dx034 on Friday July 05, 2024 @03:35AM (#40880538)
Too bad 4k projectors are still so expensive. I bought my 1080p projector 8 years ago and it seems like not that much has changed since then when it comes to prices. 4k projectors are still much more expensive than comparable TVs.
Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by prmoustache on Friday July 05, 2024 @04:58AM (#40881032)
Possibly, I think I have seen both terms used.

Mine is a 1080p model. I have seen 4K TVs at friends houses but I can't say I miss it. Somehow the when you watch some old non HD it still looks good when projected on a wall. Sure it is not highres but the image seems smoothen the image instead of having a pixelated or badly upscaled result. For example these last few months I have been watching a lot the ER TV show and I wasn't the least annoyed by the lower res.

Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by shiroiushi on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:17AM (#40881152)
Isn't ER from the 90s? Most TV at that time was shot on videotape, not film, so there's no way to get an HD version of it, so if this is the case, you're seeing it in the best possible rendition already. Going through a projector probably helps actually, by making things smoother than they would be with upscaling on a 4k-res TV.

If you want to see what a modern 4K TV can really do, you have to watch it with something new, shot in 4K, perhaps in HDR if the TV can render that (this works best if the TV is OLED; LCD TVs don't have the brightness to really show HDR properly). Watching the same media on your 1080p projector should look noticeably worse than your friend's 75" OLED set.

Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by prmoustache on Friday July 05, 2024 @06:09AM (#40881461)
> Isn't ER from the 90s? Most TV at that time was shot on videotape, not film, so there's no way to get an HD version of it, so if this is the case, you're seeing it in the best possible rendition already. Going through a projector probably helps actually, by making things smoother than they would be with upscaling on a 4k-res TV.

That is exactly what I am trying to say. While I have an overall lower max res, my viewing experience is much more consistent across all kind of contents. And it never feels as crappy as upscaled content.

>If you want to see what a modern 4K TV can really do, you have to watch it with something new, shot in 4K, perhaps in HDR if the TV can render that (this works best if the TV is OLED; LCD TVs don't have the brightness to really show HDR properly). Watching the same media on your 1080p projector should look noticeably worse than your friend's 75" OLED set.

I know I've seen it at friends place. But what I mean is I don't really feel it unless I compare both side by side thus it doesn't make my viewing experience less enjoyable. Ignorance is bliss I guess. And I much prefer the immersion of having an albeit lower res projected in the full size of my living room wall than 4K res in a smaller screen. It would maybe be different if I was watching ice hockey games and trying to follow the puck but I am not.

YMMV of course.

Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by eru on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:50AM (#40881340)
Star Trek TNG was shot on film, not tape, and they made a remaster that's available online. So you can see Captain Picard on their shoddy sets in very high resolution now.
Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by shiroiushi on Sunday July 07, 2024 @08:15PM (#40901580)
Yeah, I've watched much of the remastered TNG version. The sets aren't shoddy AFAICT. There is one famous scene in the pilot episode where a patch of carpet under Data's seat is plainly visible, but that was because the frame size is larger: in the TV days, TV sets had a rounded-off picture and that part wasn't visible. The people filming back then never thought that their film would be scanned in 4K and the full frame would be visible to viewers.

The biggest problem visible on the TNG sets is the black cardboard pieces on the consoles in the rear of the bridge, used to block reflections from the lights. Those weren't visible after conversion to NTSC, but in HD they're noticeable. I'm not a director, but I wouldn't call this a problem with a shoddy set, but rather too many assumptions made at the time about how the video would be viewed. Surely, if they were filming a theatrical movie at the time instead of a TV show, they would have simply filmed it a different way, or rigged the lighting differently to avoid this problem.

Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by eru on Monday July 08, 2024 @12:55AM (#40902708)
You are right. I meant 'shoddy' in the sense that they just needed to look good on NTSC, so they were built with that in mind.

That doesn't just meant that smaller details weren't important, so they were left out. But also that if something in your set needs to fulfill a role in the story, you better make that thing big enough to be legible on an NTSC screen, instead of something more subtle.

Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by hi-v-rocknroll on Friday July 05, 2024 @05:12AM (#40881121)
You're making an assimilation fallacy and falling to grasp the technical reasons such as proper deinterlacing, frame rate matching, ineffective motion compression, and generally poor upscaling techniques.

If you decrypt and grab the pristine content of a 4:3 or 16:9 DVD, then process it properly through Handbrake or such, it will look fine.

I did this purposely for a couple of rare old movies because the VHS and streaming copies looked terrible. The DVD versions in various regions are much, much better and came out as playable artifacts I can put on an 4K or 8K output device. They look cleaner than when I play these than with a DVD player because of the extra computational effort that went into the filtering during the transcoding process.

Re:Sony Is Killing the Blu-ray, but Physical Media Isn't Dea... by shiroiushi on Sunday July 07, 2024 @08:00PM (#40901509)
For movies that simply aren't available in Blu-Ray and the latest, best version of them is on DVD, that all sounds great of course. But if it's a more-common movie that came out on Blu-Ray, you can probably get a rip of that online quite easily.

Also, the parent seemed to be talking about simply popping a DVD into a drive and watching that directly. What you're talking about sounds very interesting, but also a fair amount of work and compute time. I've never used Handbrake, but I would assume the ripping and transcoding process would take a fair amount of time.