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Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by te_chris on Friday June 08, 2012 @10:23PM (#4086965)
By the rich for the rich then? Sounds about right.

Seriously though, you want 3 privileged, white men to decide the fate of your entire country? I'm all for smart people coming up with solutions, and I know your comment wasn't mean't to be taken too seriously, but this is just ridiculous. Technocracy is not the answer, no matter how much technologists would love it to be.

Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by reader5000 on Friday June 08, 2012 @11:21PM (#4087063)
I don't believe a racial attack is in any way an appropriate response to portman's comment.
Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by te_chris on Saturday June 09, 2012 @12:09AM (#4087157)
That wasn't a racial attack, it was pointing out that the 3 people who he proposed to "fix" everything were among the most privileged people on the planet (in part due to the colour of their skin). This was done to try and make the point that, given past history, another round of letting the most privileged people on the planet come up with "solutions", probably won't get us very far.
Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by crusso on Saturday June 09, 2012 @02:00PM (#4088691)
>That wasn't a racial attack

"attack" might be a strong word, but it was definitely a racist comment. Whenever you generalize or predict behavior or outcomes based upon race, you've made a racist comment. Maybe you liked the sound of it. Doesn't really matter, though, does it?

Substitute "black" for "white" and how does your original statement sound?

You're decrying the solutions that those three guys could come up with in part because they're white. Maybe you wanted to say, "ethnically homogenous"?

Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by scarmig on Saturday June 09, 2012 @03:39PM (#4089068)
I'm not so sure.

They were also described as men. Does that make it sexist?

They were also described as privileged. Does that make it class warfare?

The point is obviously that they come from the same, very particular place at the very top of the same hierarchy that's created the world we now live in. Simply because the media has chosen to glamorize those people more than others doesn't mean we should do the same.

Why not throw some equally intelligent and qualified people as Elinor Ostrom or Amartya Sen in there? Aside from the fact that they're probably a bit more left-leaning/sympathetic to the little guy than the three mentioned.

Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by crusso on Saturday June 09, 2012 @04:57PM (#4089259)
> They were also described as men. Does that make it sexist?

It notes the sex of the decision-makers and implies the quality of results as part of a generalization, so I guess it is sexist.

> They were also described as privileged. Does that make it class warfare?

Warfare? That has a lot of extra meaning. "Classist" would be more clinical.

Words like "racist", "sexist", and "classist" have real definitions and you don't get to apply them only when they support portions of an argument that you happen to agree with.

Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by derleth on Saturday June 09, 2012 @08:20AM (#4087923)
> That wasn't a racial attack

You explicitly mentioned race. It's racist.

Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by wpietri on Saturday June 09, 2012 @10:52AM (#4088209)
I see. And if I point out that the KKK is all white dudes, then I'm also being racist? What a meanie I am!

Pointing out the unbalanced composition of a group meant to solve society's problems is not in any way racist. It's a specific application of the general rule that humans have hard time understanding the experiences of people different than themselves, especially when there's privilege involved.

Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by reader5000 on Saturday June 09, 2012 @11:15AM (#4088263)
Unlike the kkk, there is no indication the OP chose the three men on account of their race. To therefore attack them on the basis of their race is an ad hominem racial assault. Furthermore, obviously the three are privileged compared to a kid born in, say, Ethiopia, but I don't see how that illegitimates them for a discussion on America.
Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by wpietri on Saturday June 09, 2012 @11:43PM (#4090108)
It doesn't mean they can't participate in the discussion. It does mean that if they're the only people in the discussion, there's probably going to be some things wrong with the outcome.
Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by andybak on Saturday June 09, 2012 @01:30PM (#4088569)
That's the silliest statement I've read all day.
Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by nathantotten on Friday June 08, 2012 @11:17PM (#4087060)
The founding fathers were all privileged white men.
Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by molmalo on Saturday June 09, 2012 @02:48AM (#4087458)
And then you had almost a century of slavery...

I think that he has a point in saying that if you have an heterogeneous society, it's not wise to put all the power in an homogeneous group.

Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by slurgfest on Sunday June 10, 2012 @01:25AM (#4090253)
It is worth observing that slavery was not universally practiced or accepted in the US and that ending it involved, among other things, a mind-boggling pile of corpses, the suspension of habeas corpus and the near destruction of the US as a political unit. Moreover, that the great empires maintained de facto slavery in their colonies up into the 60s. So I think there is a serious lack of historical perspective when you are trying to ding the founding fathers very hard for slavery, as if they all intended it, as if this were some kind of inevitable result of putting white people in power.

I like affirmative action, but I don't think it is a viable principle for determining political rights, which should be universal and colorblind rather than being denied or granted based on race or a distaste for homogeneity.

The idea that white people should not have power because of their inherent moral depravity is definitely a racist idea.

Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by reader5000 on Saturday June 09, 2012 @10:58AM (#4088227)
Yeah dude white people are all the same.
Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by Locke1689 on Saturday June 09, 2012 @11:20AM (#4088281)
Technocracy is not the answer

Why not? Democracy doesn't seem to be so great.

Re:Famous judge spikes Apple-Google case, calls patent syste... by slurgfest on Sunday June 10, 2012 @01:15AM (#4090245)
Well, one problem is to ensure that the people making the decisions really are more knowledgeable and really can act in a disinterested way, rather than this just becoming an excuse for a full-blown power grab. Democratic power grabs, although very problematic, tend to have time limits.

Another problem is getting your technocracy to be accepted. Installing it only to have it quickly overthrown is another scenario for getting a dictator.