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Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by dTal on Monday July 01, 2024 @07:52PM (#40852106)
>If that were true then defendants would waive their right to a jury trial. They don't.

They do, overwhelmingly. Plea bargaining accounts for almost 98 percent of federal convictions and 95 percent of state convictions in the United States.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by qarl on Monday July 01, 2024 @07:56PM (#40852142)
Well, no. That's a different situation.

My point still stands. For cases that go to trial, if they jury is just a pawn for prosecution, the defendants would choose a bench trial. They do not, so this argument does not hold water.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by pyuser583 on Monday July 01, 2024 @11:01PM (#40853190)
I knew a guy who was charged with a crime he didn’t commit, and had strong proof of his innocence.

He was advised to do a bench trial.

The idea was the evidence was so strongly in his favor that only an idiot would find him guilty, and a judge was less likely to be an idiot than a jury.

It worked out splendidly. The trial didn’t even finish. The judge halted the trial half way through and “advised” the prosecution to drop charges, which they did.

This is of course not representative. But if I were ever in the same spot, I’d seriously consider a bench trial.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by qingcharles on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @03:00AM (#40854199)
It's not representative. Bench trials can be equally dangerous. Judges are overwhelmingly ex-prosecutors (I think the stats are >80%).

I know someone who recently took a bench trial. No evidence of a crime was presented. The closing argument was the defense was "There was zero, zip, zilch evidence of any crime committed, and no mention of the defendant by anyone." The judge found the defendant guilty and then retired the next day. It's on appeal. C'est la vie.

(OTOH I saw a judge take a bench trial on a crime they'd committed, and their buddy was the trier of fact. The first witness had barely stepped onto the stand when the defendant was pronounced not guilty. LOL)