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Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by nielsbot on Monday July 01, 2024 @05:17PM (#40850791)
You're implying the parent poster isn't concerned about the illegal Obama drone killing. Which is making this about teams when there are none.

For myself, I personally think it crossed a dangerous line when Obama killed that citizen without a trial. I also think this SCOTUS is corrupt and this ruling is dangerous.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by treeFall on Monday July 01, 2024 @05:23PM (#40850848)
>a dangerous line

That's the same lukewarm sentiment that he's always received. It was an impeachable, criminal act.

My point is that he got away with it anyways, even without this "official act" clarification. Which just goes to show you that people whipping themselves into a frenzy about this have not been paying attention. They're using the most extreme language ("Seal Team 6 assassinations!!!") to describe some hypothetical that has already occurred without this ruling. It's silly.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by stephenr on Monday July 01, 2024 @10:06PM (#40852906)
I have no specific knowledge of the case you're referring to. I'll just assume it happened as you say it did.

Why are you upset that people are concerned by a ruling allowing exactly what you're concerned about? Shouldn't you be upset that neither the DOJ nor Congress took action against the President in question?

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by treeFall on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @04:03AM (#40854510)
It doesn't allow it, because it already happens. People are acting like this is enabling some new behavior, and that the sky is falling, but this behavior has already been established.
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by nielsbot on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @12:43AM (#40862773)
Then the ruling is unnecessary, right?
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by Spooky23 on Monday July 01, 2024 @05:29PM (#40850917)
There’s a difference between an American citizen combatant aiding the enemy abroad, and say an uncooperative Vice President refusing to participate in a coup.
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by treeFall on Monday July 01, 2024 @07:40PM (#40852013)
I didn't realize the government could legally designate a citizen as X and then kill them without a declaration of war or a trial. Last time I checked, treason was a crime that you went to trial for.
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by tines on Monday July 01, 2024 @05:10PM (#40850729)
I don't agree with the outcome, but at least the motive mattered there. The target was ostensibly leading a military operation against the US or something. Motive doesn't matter any more.

EDIT: And yes, what Obama did was illegal and he should have been impeached and prosecuted for that.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by dgfitz on Monday July 01, 2024 @05:10PM (#40850741)
Of course people only care about “their” party. It is everything about what is broken in the US.

It blows my fucking mind that the left is about to nominate the only qualified person, of many qualified people, that can lose to trump. We saw this movie in 2016 with clinton.

How does this happen?

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by AnimalMuppet on Monday July 01, 2024 @05:35PM (#40850994)
Well, he actually beat Trump, which Hillary failed to do. But I agree - other than nominating Hillary, there was probably nobody else who could lose to Trump.

But it's equally stupid on the other side. Trump is probably the only Republican candidate who could lose to Biden, either.

How did we get this way? Not much of a real primary on either side. Trump as the leading candidate refused to debate anybody else, and the Republican Party refused to block his nomination purely on that ground. Trump's daughter-in-law is also the chair of the Republican Party.

On the Democratic side, nobody real challenged Biden because he's the incumbent, despite his horrible approval ratings.

The US election dynamics produce a two-party system. Every so often, one of the major parties implodes, and a new party takes its place. Both parties are making a good case for it...

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by dgfitz on Monday July 01, 2024 @05:53PM (#40851171)
Sure is a giant disaster at the moment. I saw a “2020 comet” bumper sticker today, almost seems like a good idea.

IANAL: in no way shape or form am I encouraging destruction.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by neogodless on Monday July 01, 2024 @05:07PM (#40850692)
Which political rival of Obama's are you referring to?
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by treeFall on Monday July 01, 2024 @05:10PM (#40850727)
So you're only worried about rich and influential people being killed, not the rest of us lowly American plebs?
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by ImJamal on Monday July 01, 2024 @05:06PM (#40850687)
Obama killed multiple American citizens, not just one.
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by dzhiurgis on Monday July 01, 2024 @05:07PM (#40850702)
Not worried. Happy. Biden can now do anything to Trump with immunity. Trump is DONE.