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Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by demosthanos on Monday July 01, 2024 @03:18PM (#40849466)
> if congress doesn't like something a president is doing, they can change the laws and remove his or her legal authority to do something.

Yep. The ruling says that if the President is acting within the legally and constitutionally defined scope of their duties then they shouldn't have to wonder if they'll later be prosecuted for it.

That seems fine on its face, but the problem people keep raising is that we live in a world where the President is legally empowered to do things that are seriously problematic. That's a very real concern, and it's been a concern at the very least since Bush and 9/11.

So the obvious answer to this ruling is to fix that. The President shouldn't have to wonder if they'll end up prosecuted for doing things that are within the scope of their official duties, so what we need to do is more clearly define and limit those official duties so that the President doesn't have to guess what will be seen as crossing an imaginary line when the administration changes.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by kybernetikos on Monday July 01, 2024 @04:03PM (#40850017)
> The ruling says that if the President is acting within the legally and constitutionally defined scope of their duties then they shouldn't have to wonder if they'll later be prosecuted for it.

The other big problem is how do you resolve a question of whether the president is acting within the legally and constitutionally defined scope of their duties? If there is a presumption of immunity, it may be nearly impossible to establish the facts in cases where the president is acting improperly.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by doctorpangloss on Monday July 01, 2024 @04:15PM (#40850162)
> If there is a presumption of immunity, it may be nearly impossible to establish the facts in cases where the president is acting improperly.

Well yeah that's true. But uh, you are talking lawyer talk with a set of opinions, insincerely held, because they are most concerned with "owning the libs" above everything else.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by afiori on Monday July 01, 2024 @03:53PM (#40849897)
This is the obvious answer to any supreme court ruling you want to change: congress can simply change the law/constitution.

A giant part of the issue of commonlaw systems is that so much of the "law" is not laws but rulings and those are a lot easier to change/ignore/overrule.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by burutthrow1234 on Monday July 01, 2024 @04:07PM (#40850068)
"Change the law" versus "change the constitution" are two very different things.

The US couldn't pass the ERA, which just enshrines women's rights in the Constitution. Anything more controversial like "the President can't do extrajudicial murders" would be an endless partisan battle

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by afiori on Monday July 01, 2024 @04:31PM (#40850315)
I am not saying that they are easy to do, but it is their power to wield.
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by randombits0 on Monday July 01, 2024 @04:10PM (#40850091)
No. The remedy Congress has is impeachment, not “change the Constitution”. Even if Congress could easily change the Constitution (they can’t), it would not apply to actions taken previous to the change.
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by afiori on Monday July 01, 2024 @04:29PM (#40850299)
Whether laws can be applied retroactively is decided by the constitution :)

But yes, what I meant is that the supreme court has the power to interpret the law and uphold the constitution, but it is on the legislation to draft precise laws.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by arrosenberg on Monday July 01, 2024 @03:46PM (#40849823)
> That seems fine on its face, but the problem people keep raising is that we live in a world where the President is legally empowered to do things that are seriously problematic. That's a very real concern, and it's been a concern at the very least since Bush and 9/11.

I agree with you - it's not like Bush has been held accountable in any way. Neither has Cheney, and we know Rumsfeld never will. Congress needs to get off its' duff and regulate. That requires people to organize to make them. I'm not seeing it happen.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by pseudalopex on Monday July 01, 2024 @03:49PM (#40849855)
> Congress needs to get off its' duff and regulate.

Congress granted the Bush administration broad powers. The problem is not inaction.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by doctorpangloss on Monday July 01, 2024 @04:14PM (#40850129)
> and we know Rumsfeld never will

You mean because he has been dead for 3 years?

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by gmd63 on Monday July 01, 2024 @04:16PM (#40850164)
Republicans, including Donald For-Every-New-Regulation-You-Need-To-Remove-Two-Regulations Trump: "We have too many laws, the legal system is too complicated"

Current SCOTUS: "you're gonna need pages of new law to explicitly define what constitutes an official act of the president"

Current SCOTUS: "you're gonna need tomes of new law that are routinely kept up to date with new scientific knowledge for all federal agencies now that Chevron is overturned"