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Re:A Eulogy for DevOps by mingus88 on Friday June 28, 2024 @08:57PM (#40827009)
I don’t know. As someone who has tried to introduce the simple concept of version control to various sysadmin orgs over the years, I am fine with many of those types of sysadmins going away

A lot of those guys just couldn’t handle a reality where they couldn’t name all their systems with cute Dr Who hostnames and do all their work as local root with riced out bash prompts

Devops at least forced them to the same table with the dev org, and if they ended up getting replaced in the transition then I shed zero tears

Re:A Eulogy for DevOps by thr0w on Friday June 28, 2024 @10:34PM (#40827469)
> couldn’t handle a reality where they couldn’t name all their systems with cute Dr Who hostnames

Worked with so many of these guys. They really are the worst.

Re:A Eulogy for DevOps by 29athrowaway on Friday June 28, 2024 @09:14PM (#40827091)
Sysadmins provisioned and managed version control systems for years. CVS, Subversion, etc.
Re:A Eulogy for DevOps by betaby on Friday June 28, 2024 @09:22PM (#40827139)
RCS!
Re:A Eulogy for DevOps by mingus88 on Friday June 28, 2024 @09:30PM (#40827183)
I introduced RCS to my sysadmin team in the mid 90s but again you always had those guys with god complexes who couldn’t be bothered to ‘ci -u’ or ‘co -l’ properly because that’s not how they do things. And if your entire team isn’t onboard then it’s worse than having no VCS at all

God riddance to those guys. They thrived in silos.

Re:A Eulogy for DevOps by 29athrowaway on Friday June 28, 2024 @11:16PM (#40827634)
Well, some people are not agreeable, do not want to be seen taking guidance from others.

They are not worried about understanding what they do, or improving their practices, they are worried about status and how others perceive them.

Those people may be able to protect their status in the short term, maybe even bluff and be promoted. But they will never truly understand what's going on.