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Re:Crypto-failure Terraform Labs to cough up $4.5B, liquidat... by bobthepanda on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @02:28PM (#40802947)
> Terraform Labs was one such entity. But its protocol – which aimed to ensure TerraUSD's price would remain stable – failed miserably in part thanks to its underlying blockchain being unable to scale as scared investors sent demand for transactions soaring.

Was this an actual technical problem or was this a bank run?

Re:Crypto-failure Terraform Labs to cough up $4.5B, liquidat... by erredois on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @02:38PM (#40803084)
A bank run. Their system relied on having a stable coin pegged to the dolar. Someone with deep pockets did a speculative attack that broke the peg and it started a bank run.
Re:Crypto-failure Terraform Labs to cough up $4.5B, liquidat... by marcuskane2 on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @03:29PM (#40803642)
This is completely misleading. Their "stable coin" system was doomed to fail from the beginning.

They made up two new coins, which were algorithmically tied together so that coin A's value was variable and coin B's value was equal to 1 dollar, and the mechanism to maintain this was that users could convert between A and B coins at whatever ratio maintained the "stable" value for B.

This means that as soon as the hype around the speculative A coin waned, it instantly went into a death-spiral of hyperinflation to maintain B's value.

The "stable coin" was never backed by actual dollars or gold or bonds or equity in a business or anything real. It was an algorithmic peg between two different useless coins made up by the same people.

Re:Crypto-failure Terraform Labs to cough up $4.5B, liquidat... by erredois on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @05:56PM (#40805051)
I was not defending it or saying it was stable. And I believe what you said is true about the weakness, but the fact is that the life of this project was still shortned by someones actions.
Re:Crypto-failure Terraform Labs to cough up $4.5B, liquidat... by simonw on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @03:13PM (#40803454)
Presumably the information about what that person did is permanently preserved on a blockchain somewhere?

I'd find a forensic accounting investigation that explains what they did and how it worked quite interesting.

Re:Crypto-failure Terraform Labs to cough up $4.5B, liquidat... by vizzier on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @03:25PM (#40803587)
It sounds a lot like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday basically use short positions to trade against the real value of the currency while selling at the "pegged" price pocket the difference. If a G7 currency can't guard against this type of attack then can a crypto service expect to compete?
Re:Crypto-failure Terraform Labs to cough up $4.5B, liquidat... by anon291 on Thursday June 27, 2024 @12:58AM (#40807390)
At the end of the day the only thing that really matters for currency valuation is who sits on the right end of the barrel of very large guns.
Re:Crypto-failure Terraform Labs to cough up $4.5B, liquidat... by bobthepanda on Thursday June 27, 2024 @12:39PM (#40812401)
Didn't seem to help the UK much during Black Wednesday.
Re:Crypto-failure Terraform Labs to cough up $4.5B, liquidat... by anon291 on Thursday June 27, 2024 @02:13PM (#40813368)
UK clearly doesn't have large enough guns. /s

I joke, but realistically, the UK has not gone the way of Terraform of FTX, so ...

Re:Crypto-failure Terraform Labs to cough up $4.5B, liquidat... by mamonster on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @03:47PM (#40803847)
Its very easy to explain (Im doing from memory so not 100% sure all the details are correct).

Prerequisites: 1.Terra/Luna was "special" because it was a cryptocurrency(Luna) with its own stablecoin(Terra/UST), with the peculiar quirk of the collateral for the stablecoin being the crypto itself(unlike Tether/USDC/whatever else where each stable is backed by USD/treasuries/commercial paper and etc).

2. The 2nd part is that the peg of Terra to dollar is maintained algorithmically, via a pretty simple mechanism: One dollar worth of Luna is always worth 1 Terra(so 1 USD in crypto land). To convert between the 2, you either burn(Luna->Terra) or mint(Terra->Luna). The peg is maintained by arbing: If you see 1 UST = 0.9 USD, you buy the UST, mint 1 dollars worth of Luna and sell it to get 10 cents of profit.

3. Anchor protocol was a lending protocol that offered 20% interest rates. You deposit your UST, Anchor lends it out to people who want to borrow it, life is good. There were other protocols that basically also offered ridiculous rates on UST(remember this is close to peak crypto bull).

What happened: 1.From the above description, the biggest question is: What is the value of LUNA? Sure, it has a value with regards to arbing UST, but what is the value by itself(0, turns out). What ended up happening is that during the bullmarket people wanted both UST and Luna(you want Luna to bet on the ecosystem, and you want Terra to farm the 20% yield). For example, if people are buying UST(to put it into Anchor), UST price goes up. You are then incentivized to buy LUNA, burn it to get 1 UST, and sell UST for above a dollar. As you can see, this is a pretty classic flywheel.

2.The actual blowup: Most people blame Anchor cutting the interest rate. Basically, certain large accounts quickly dumped UST for USDT/USDC(actual stables), and this knocked off the peg. Here, under normal conditions, arbitrageurs would massively buy the discount UST, mint LUNA and sell it. There was one problem: LUNA was also massively falling, so it was impossible to do the arb. As a result, the price kept falling as no one was buying, and as the price of LUNA fell the peg could not be defended.

tl;dr It was a stablecoin that was not backed by any actual assets but by another crypto.

Re:Crypto-failure Terraform Labs to cough up $4.5B, liquidat... by pram on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @11:54PM (#40807026)
IIRC LUNA was massively devalued because the “peg algorithm” minted like 6 trillion coins in a single day.
Re:Crypto-failure Terraform Labs to cough up $4.5B, liquidat... by jvinet on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @03:49PM (#40803896)
This article tries to follow the action via the tweets emerging at the time.

https://medium.com/coinmonks/the-40b-wipeout-the-fall-of-ter...

The last laugh: https://x.com/FreddieRaynolds/status/1524139694388355072