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Re:Julian Assange Is Free by preisschild on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @04:05AM (#40785776)
> Julian's freedom is our freedom.

Why? He is a Russian Today Kreml-funded Propagandist

Re:Julian Assange Is Free by atoav on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @04:14AM (#40785831)
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Re:Julian Assange Is Free by PlutoIsAPlanet on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @05:55AM (#40786481)
As opposed to supporting a state that puts you at danger for even knowing crimes committed by the government is better?
Re:Julian Assange Is Free by atoav on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @04:21PM (#40793148)
I am not a supporter of whatever Russia Today is, but when the truth is that my job as a citizen of a democracy is to not vote for people whose lack of care for the Rule of Law endagers that very system.

Now ideally the media of my own state would be doing a good job on all things own government fucks up. But it turns out, sometimes journalists from elsewhere whose news organizations don't have to care so much about getting exclusive access do a better job on that front — especially if they have an incentive to find things. Even if that means I have to now try to figure out what is complete fiction and which grain of truth (of any) can be found.

So yeah, sue me if I differenciate between the Russian state, a news source financed by the Russian state and a whistleblower financed by a news source financed by the Russian state after the news outlet in Western nations with which he first had contact somehow felt they can't report on their own governments involvment in a human rights violation anymore.

I am not a fan of Assange and I don't think he is a sympatic person, but I think we all owe it to the world to differenciate and see the chain of events instead of lumping together everything ins simplistic answers.

Re:Julian Assange Is Free by LAC-Tech on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @04:07AM (#40785792)
They're not my enemies?
Re:Julian Assange Is Free by lannisterstark on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @05:36AM (#40786352)
Russian government isn't? That says more about you than anybody else.
Re:Julian Assange Is Free by exoverito on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @09:11AM (#40788170)
To be fair the American government acts like an enemy to most of its people too.
Re:Julian Assange Is Free by LAC-Tech on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @03:23PM (#40792502)
Yeap. Neither is Iran.

They're someone elses enemy, not mine.

Re:Julian Assange Is Free by lannisterstark on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @04:44AM (#40864012)
They'll be your enemies if you're the "wrong" kind of person as soon as you step on their soil.

Hope it helps, because it doesn't to millions of people living in their regimes. Authoritarianism apologia is wild.

Re:Julian Assange Is Free by LAC-Tech on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @05:14PM (#40870078)
No Persian government agents have ever come to my country to try and fraudulently steal a passport from a man with cerebal palsy. Israeli ones have though.
Re:Julian Assange Is Free by lannisterstark on Thursday July 04, 2024 @12:52AM (#40872398)
Yet.

Not to mention you sidestepped the entire conversation. It sucks for their own people. Their own govt is their enemy - we should be standing next to them, not going "oh yeah you're oppressors of your own people but in my book you're cool because I dislike my own country/Israel/West" or whatever the new excuse is.

Re:Julian Assange Is Free by LAC-Tech on Thursday July 04, 2024 @04:16AM (#40873257)
Who the hell are we to tell Iran what sort of government they should have?
Re:Julian Assange Is Free by defrost on Thursday July 04, 2024 @04:35AM (#40873343)
While NZ currently doesn't do much of that sort of thing, the European settlers of NZ simply couldn't get enough of telling other countries what to do and were fairly instrumental in drawing up and imposing borders after the fall of the Ottoman empire.

If "we" is taken to include the core HN user base (the USofA) then that horse has bolted given the the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, the U.S.- and British-instigated, Iranian army-led overthrow of the elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh that more or less kick started the arc toward where Iran-West relations are today.

Re:Julian Assange Is Free by LAC-Tech on Thursday July 04, 2024 @05:14PM (#40878099)
While NZ currently doesn't do much of that sort of thing, the European settlers of NZ simply couldn't get enough of telling other countries what to do and were fairly instrumental in drawing up and imposing borders after the fall of the Ottoman empire.

Did that work well? Should the west keep following a similar course of action?

I am also keenly aware that British Empire involvement started with conquering Palestine & The Balfour Declaration, and ended in the Sergeant's Affair. We have spilled more than enough blood for Zionism and (when we were no longer useful) had our blood spilled by Zionism.

Therefore I reiterate - do not make Iran your enemy on behalf of people who have historically used us as tools to get what they want.

Re:Julian Assange Is Free by aydyn on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @04:23AM (#40785893)
give it a rest
Re:Julian Assange Is Free by pelorat on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @05:03AM (#40786157)
No doubt that will be his new job now. Watch him become a pro-Russian influencer on X and a regular guest on various MAGA platforms.

It's no secret he was given a ton of leaked material material on the Kremlin but decided not to publish it.

Re:Julian Assange Is Free by af78 on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @06:42AM (#40786776)
Assange literally had a show on Russia Today. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-assange-tv/wikilea... WikiLeaks founder to host Kremlin-funded TV show
Re:Julian Assange Is Free by kalrtay on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @07:13AM (#40787002)
After he had been under house arrest for the bogus Swedish charges ...

Sorry, if you are prosecuted and no other network gives you a show, what will you do? I'm sure he would have taken a CNN show as well.

This was also in 2012, before the whole Euromaidan thing. Many European politicians lined up to be friends with Russia.

Re:Julian Assange Is Free by af78 on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @08:53AM (#40787975)
Being prosecuted, even unfairly, does not necessarily imply you suddenly go and work for a dictatorship -- unless you were already working for them. People who know Russia well know it wasn't that different in 2012. It had already invaded Georgia and was helping Assad crush a popular movement in Syria.
Re:Julian Assange Is Free by maxst on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @11:18AM (#40789730)
It wasn't a big deal in 2012. The popular opinion was "Russia no longer posed the threat" and even can be viewed as "an ally" of the US. See: https://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/04/hillar...
Re:Julian Assange Is Free by the_history_guy on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @09:40AM (#40788515)
Russia had already invaded Chechnya in 2000. This did not stop Tony Blair from pushing for oil deals:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2003/feb/13/russia.poli...

Here is a site that claims that the deals went on well after the Crimea annexation:

https://www.declassifieduk.org/under-putin-mi6-linked-bp-ext...

I do not know the second site, so search and check for yourself. Britain also took gas via the Nordstream network that had a pipeline through Northern Germany to England.

I would direct such criticisms towards Blair and not towards someone who was under tremendous pressure and frankly fearing for his life.

Re:Julian Assange Is Free by af78 on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @10:02AM (#40788760)
Going to RT did not help Assange's legal case in any way.

I'm against double standards. It was wrong from both Assange, Blair and other Western leaders and activists who claimed to care about democracy and human rights to deal with Putin's Russia the way they did.