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Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by bayindirh on Monday June 24, 2024 @07:27AM (#40774723)
There are whole niche ecosystems started on Scientific Linux and moved to CentOS over the last decade.

A change like this for thousands of bare metal machines, is not inconsequential. The complete inverse is true, in fact.

Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by llm_trw on Monday June 24, 2024 @07:38AM (#40774793)
Debian was always there, they deserve what they get.

I'm saying this as someone who fought tooth and nail to migrate to Debian instead of Scientific in 2010 because you can't ever trust a for profit company.

But that was too hard, and what would a grad student know about the real world anyway, so here we are.

Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by vetinari on Monday June 24, 2024 @07:41AM (#40774829)
Debian has relatively short support.

Centos 7 was released in 2014 and the support ends next week.

Debian 10 was released in 2019 and the support also ends next week.

Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by llm_trw on Monday June 24, 2024 @07:44AM (#40774850)
>Debian has relatively short support.

Then make it longer. The debian team is starved for volunteers and would love to have more long term maintainers.

Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by g15jv2dp on Monday June 24, 2024 @07:49AM (#40774894)
Sorry but that's an asinine reply. The people looking for the support are busy doing something and looking to pay a company for the support. If they had the time to volunteer for support, they wouldn't be looking for support themselves. You're the one touting Debian out of nowhere, you can't ask the people you're talking to, to volunteer to make your point better.
Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by llm_trw on Monday June 24, 2024 @08:04AM (#40775014)
The people wanting to pay for support can absolutely move to rhel with no pain what so ever.
Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by bayindirh on Monday June 24, 2024 @07:54AM (#40774941)
There's Freexian (as in company) if you want: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended
Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by rahen on Monday June 24, 2024 @08:26AM (#40775205)
How good are Freexian / Debian ELTS compared to RHEL for their 10 years support and security fixes? Are they cost effective?

https://www.freexian.com/lts/extended/docs/cost-estimation/

Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by dralley on Monday June 24, 2024 @09:41AM (#40775945)
>The people looking for the support are busy doing something and looking to pay a company for the support

I mean, if they are using CentOS, apparently not.

Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by szundi on Monday June 24, 2024 @07:51AM (#40774909)
What an inside out reasoning
Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by kwertzzz on Monday June 24, 2024 @09:54AM (#40776099)
So we want:

1. free/gratis Linux distribution

2. long support (~ 10 years)

3. not needing to contribute (as a community)

It seems that we can only pick two from this list (even a distribution with short support cycle needs community).

Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by freedomben on Monday June 24, 2024 @09:52AM (#40776081)
"what would a grad student know about the real world" is seeming like fair analysis given this.
Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by llm_trw on Monday June 24, 2024 @10:11AM (#40776270)
Universities aren't the real world and I was right about redhat.
Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by bayindirh on Monday June 24, 2024 @07:43AM (#40774841)
However, you can release-upgrade a Debian installation in five minutes or less, without any big issues cropping up.

Also, you can re-install a cattle worker node in 10 minutes or less, from power on.

Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by eraser215 on Monday June 24, 2024 @09:44AM (#40775979)
What breaking changes do those upgrades introduce? Is there any compatibility guide?
Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by bayindirh on Monday June 24, 2024 @10:11AM (#40776274)
Debian handles all of these transitions by itself during upgrade process, and shows you a nice readme before starting all of them.

For example, Debian has finished two big transitions recently. Merging /usr and 64 bit time support. Both are done on testing, and even on testing nothing has broken.

Another big change (which also made HN front page via LWN) was /tmp behavior change. It's handled differently. If your system is already installed, it doesn't change the behavior, but new systems will behave differently.

All of these changes are again communicated via "NEWS" mechanism. If Debian changes a config file, it's replaced. If you modified this file, apt will ask what you prefer, and you can diff the file in place.

In the past, many similar changes are made, and all were transparent. If you're not using any external repositories which change tons of system packages with their own versions, nothing changes during upgrades for you.

While there's an extensive release note provided with every release like [0], the upgrades are pretty straightforward.

As a result, having a few or many Debian systems which are older than a decade is a norm, not an exception.

[0]: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/

Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by edward28 on Monday June 24, 2024 @12:36PM (#40778110)
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ This has sections for how to upgrade from the previous version and what major changes/issues.
Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by bayindirh on Monday June 24, 2024 @07:39AM (#40774803)
I daily drive Debian close to 20 years. We'd prefer to have Debian on board, too.

However this is where we're now and what we have to go through.

> they deserve what they get.

Why the anger though?

Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by adolph on Monday June 24, 2024 @07:44AM (#40774847)
As the IBM constructorships’ beams cut up this ecosystem you kind of see why the head Vogon has no sympathy because the plans have not been “in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.’”
Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by bluedino on Monday June 24, 2024 @08:50AM (#40775390)
There are a lot of HPC sysadmins that are very busy lately. A lot of third party software started dropping CentOS 7 support this year, and they never upgraded their clusters to 8/9.

Containers have been a big help.

Re:CentOS Linux 7 will reach EOL on Sunday by bayindirh on Monday June 24, 2024 @08:54AM (#40775431)
The situation is pretty backwards for us, ironically.

Upgrading the OS is easy. Initial work is a couple of days, rest of the deployment is an hour or so, but the software we need to run doesn't support CentOS 7+. Containerization might help or not, but most software is distributed as RPM packages and some of them are written with things like Python2.7.