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Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by mmh0000 on Thursday June 20, 2024 @03:58PM (#40742663)
You give the shot to a group and you give no shot to another group. Then you compare rates of HIV contractions between the two groups.
Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by tupshin on Thursday June 20, 2024 @04:17PM (#40742881)
The summary text explicitly called out why that would be unethical in this case.
Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by asveikau on Thursday June 20, 2024 @04:44PM (#40743172)
They don't ask people to live their lives any differently than they would, nor do they expose anyone to HIV on purpose; they just track them assuming that x% of people get HIV in any given year. So they compare what X is for people who got the shot, vs those who did not.

As I skim TFA, they say nobody who got the shot ended up getting HIV, which would be statistical anomaly for the population they tested.

Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by smeej on Thursday June 20, 2024 @04:48PM (#40743211)
It's not "no shot," though. It's other existing, widely available forms of pre-exposure prophylaxis.

They're not comparing the new treatment to nothing. They're comparing it to existing treatments.

Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by asveikau on Thursday June 20, 2024 @04:54PM (#40743248)
Oh, ok, I skimmed past this:

> The shot was also superior to once-daily Truvada, another Gilead drug that is used for HIV prevention.

That's good news. As I understand it the existing treatments were already very good. And these injections are only once per year.

Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by duskwuff on Thursday June 20, 2024 @05:01PM (#40743319)
Twice a year, but yes. That's a huge benefit -- not only is it easier for patients to stay on the treatment, but it's likely to be a lot cheaper as well.
Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by smeej on Thursday June 20, 2024 @10:16PM (#40745533)
I wonder how much variation there might be in terms of margin of error. Like, how close do they have to get to keeping people on a rigid 6-month schedule? Would 7 be fine? For what percentage of people? I'm assuming they have reason to believe once a year isn't enough, so that's an upper bound, but what's the lower one?
Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by adgjlsfhk1 on Friday June 21, 2024 @12:10AM (#40746066)
the short answer is no one knows (yet). if/once it gets approval, there likely would be a followup study on how much you can stretch the timing (possibly with dosage variation)
Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by duskwuff on Friday June 21, 2024 @12:42AM (#40746215)
> I wonder how much variation there might be in terms of margin of error.

Probably quite a bit. The trial used the same dose of lenacapavir as what's used for maintenance in HIV patients; it's quite possible that less is needed to prevent infection in a healthy patient. Unfortunately, there's really no safe/ethical way for them to test lower doses.

Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by oopsallmagic on Friday June 21, 2024 @12:28AM (#40746157)
It'll only be cheap once the patent expires. Until then, take those pills daily, y'all!