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Re:X debut 40 years ago (1984) by hollerith on Wednesday June 19, 2024 @10:44PM (#40734387)
Instead of looking at how long it will take Wayland to mature, let's look at how long X has been obsolete (for some applications): for example, Apple rejected X way back in the 1990s for use in its new OS (which they released to users in 2001).

In contrast Wayland is mature enough that ChromeOS decided to go all-in on Wayland, and Microsoft uses it too, for WSL2.

ChromeOS has been using Wayland in Crostini and ChromeOS's Android emulator for years, but only in the last year or so have versions of the OS rolled out to ordinary users that use Wayland also for the main UI (browser and task bar and such). Till then ChromeOS used a hand-rolled graphics system for that.

Also Wayland was embraced many years ago by makers of graphical user interfaces for cars.

Re:X debut 40 years ago (1984) by guenthert on Thursday June 20, 2024 @04:57AM (#40736482)
Apple didn't reject X, they acquired NeXT, which much earlier chose Display Postscript over X11 since Jobs was big on wysiwyg. The paperless office, promised decades ago, is finally here and with that wysiwyg a demand of the past. X had many competitors and outlived them all.
Re:X debut 40 years ago (1984) by hollerith on Thursday June 20, 2024 @10:14AM (#40739029)
There is an Slashdot comment written in 2003 by Mike Paquete, who was working on graphics for the Mac, titled "Why Apple didn't use X for the window system":

https://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=75257&cid=67...

Note that the title of the comment implies that Apple had the option of incorporating X into OS X, as do these next 2 quotes:

"The window system . . . is graphics model agnostic, working equally well with QuickDraw, OpenGL, the Quartz drawing engine, X11"

(The final sentence) "Been there, evaluated that," where "that" is a reference to X11. (If X11 was not ever an option for OS X, there would be no need for an Apple engineer like Paquete to evaluate it.)

Although it makes points similar to the point you make (namely, some at NeXT or at Apple considered it important for hardcopy to look like it did on screen), Paquete's comment gives many other reasons that have nothing to do with hardcopy for why X was lacking for Apple's purposes.

To summarize, Apple rejected X back in the 1990s for many reasons, most of which cannot be dismissed as demands from the past.

Re:X debut 40 years ago (1984) by richie-guix on Friday June 21, 2024 @01:23PM (#40751706)
I salute your ability to discuss this topic irreligiously and from a place of knowledge.