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Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday June 19, 2024 @02:52PM (#40731281)
TIL a new (to me) word. No wonder I did poorly on the GRE language section.

trun·dled, trun·dling. to cause (a circular object) to roll along; roll. to convey or move in a wagon, cart, or other wheeled vehicle; wheel: The farmer trundled his produce to market in a rickety wagon. Archaic. to cause to rotate; twirl; spin.

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by fuzztester on Wednesday June 19, 2024 @03:32PM (#40731649)
>roll

>wheel

>rotate

Trundle sounds vaguely treadmill, which also has something to do with rotation :)

Wonder if the two words are etymologically related.

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by fuzztester on Wednesday June 19, 2024 @04:12PM (#40731939)
>vaguely treadmill

I meant to write:

vaguely like treadmill

”Type in haste, correct at leisure" - Me.

Like the quote: "Marry in haste, repent at leisure".

:)

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by floydnoel on Wednesday June 19, 2024 @05:20PM (#40732495)
never heard that quote before, thanks for sharing!
Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by fuzztester on Thursday June 20, 2024 @05:01PM (#40743320)
Welcome.

If you liked that, you must read the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin, if not already read.

He was a polymath: a businessman, a scientist, a diplomat, and much more.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Autobiography_of_Benjami...

>The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin is the traditional name for the unfinished record of his own life written by Benjamin Franklin from 1771 to 1790; however, Franklin appears to have called the work his Memoirs. Although it had a tortuous publication history after Franklin's death, this work has become one of the most famous and influential examples of an autobiography ever written.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin

>Benjamin Franklin FRS FRSA FRSE (January 17, 1706 [O.S. January 6, 1705][Note 1] – April 17, 1790) was an American polymath: a leading writer, scientist, inventor, statesman, diplomat, printer, publisher, and political philosopher.[1] Among the most influential intellectuals of his time, Franklin was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States; a drafter and signer of the Declaration of Independence; and the first postmaster general.[2]

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by robocat on Wednesday June 19, 2024 @06:07PM (#40732943)
> Marry in haste, repent at leisure

"regret" at leisure would make more sense, because "repent" doesn't really have the right meaning (is more about wrongdoing/sin).

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/married-in-haste.html

Phrases are sometimes literally meaningless.

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by fuzztester on Thursday June 20, 2024 @01:36AM (#40735269)
> Marry in haste, repent at leisure

>"regret" at leisure would make more sense, because "repent" doesn't really have the right meaning (is more about wrongdoing/sin).

Makes sense, now that I read you say it, though I had not thought of that before.

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by thaumasiotes on Thursday June 20, 2024 @05:06AM (#40736529)
> "regret" at leisure would make more sense

That wouldn't work at all; "regret" doesn't have an intransitive use. You have to be regretting something.

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by bregma on Thursday June 20, 2024 @06:29AM (#40737041)
You also have to marry something. Maybe there's a pattern, or maybe poetry does not always follow the same grammatical specificity as prose, or maybe both.
Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by fuzztester on Thursday June 20, 2024 @05:11PM (#40743441)
you are right on both points.

there is a term for your latter point:

poetic licence:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_license

aside: I realize i also kind of applied artistic licence in my comment here :), by not capitalizing the first words of my sentences, partly because feeling a bit lazy (on my mobile, typing is tedious and slow enough, even without switching case), and partly because I think single case (no concept of upper and lower case) is a better option.

sanskrit, for example, does not have upper and lower case, just one case, or maybe none.

go figure, er, i mean, go letter ;)

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by thaumasiotes on Thursday June 20, 2024 @06:45PM (#40744265)
> You also have to marry something.

What? Where'd you learn English?

Take a look at the first two senses listed in wiktionary ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/marry#Etymology_1 ):

> 1. (intransitive) To enter into the conjugal or connubial state

> 2. (intransitive) To enter into marriage with one another.

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by bregma on Saturday June 22, 2024 @07:36AM (#40758247)
Does the following sentence make sense? "I marry."

It's a transitive verb.

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by fuzztester on Saturday June 22, 2024 @03:23PM (#40761445)
There's also "I walk", "I eat", "I run", and many more like those.
Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by thaumasiotes on Saturday June 22, 2024 @10:09PM (#40764115)
That's not an issue of the verb being obligatorily transitive, since it isn't. You really should look at some usage examples; this isn't a difficult or tricky question.

The problem in your sentence is that the plain form of a verb is used for states, not activities, and marrying is an activity.

"I am marrying today" is just as intransitive, but without the artificially induced grammatical error.

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by bregma on Sunday June 23, 2024 @08:39AM (#40767027)
"I am marrying today."

That's not a valid sentence, unless the person you are to wed is named "Today". Such is stuff as Abbott and Costello cashed in on.

Of course, taken in context there may be implied antecedents in spoken dialog. Spoken dialog is often incomplete and rife with implied antecedents and frequently does not follow the rules of grammer. Sentence fragments and one-word sentences can about because of that.

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by throawayjune on Sunday June 23, 2024 @11:40AM (#40768247)
It is valid and maybe easier to see with a comma. “I am marrying, today.” “Today, I will be marrying.” It is valid in the context of “i will be engaging in marriage, today (“today, i am entering into a covenant of marriage”)” but it wouldn’t be something that would be heard very often. it’s a more archaic usage.
Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday June 19, 2024 @03:36PM (#40731684)
The word made sense, I was just surprised there was a special word for rolling robot movement, hopefully it gets more use in the future as robots become more common.
Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by fuzztester on Wednesday June 19, 2024 @04:06PM (#40731897)
Yes, I did know that the word trundle made sense, because I have come across it before in books, as a kid, in stories for children. E.g. "The gardener trundled his wheelbarrow along the (garden) path."

(The word is not use much nowadays; archaic, as the dictionary entry says.)

I was only speculating about the connection between the two words (trundle and treadmill), because they sound vaguely similar. Maybe they have a common Latin or Old English or Old German root, as many English words do.

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by vitus on Wednesday June 19, 2024 @05:15PM (#40732453)
This sounds more like convergent evolution rather than a shared root.

Tread derives from Middle English treden; the difference here is to step vs to roll. The latter definition you cite is a newer usage (from the 20th century) which is more directly analogous to the tread on the bottom of one's shoe.

The use of a wheel in a treadmill seems more like an implementation detail; the obvious tie-in (IMO) is "persons treading on steps".

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by o11c on Wednesday June 19, 2024 @07:49PM (#40733554)
Nope. The vowel changes significantly for both, but the presence/absence of "n" remains fixed.

"trundle" is related to "trend", also German "trent" and "entrinnen".

"tread" is related to "trot" and "trade".

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by fuzztester on Friday June 21, 2024 @03:18PM (#40752730)
how is tread related to trade?
Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by o11c on Friday June 21, 2024 @04:33PM (#40753511)
It looks like "trade" changed meaning significantly between Middle English and now, even though they only converge all the way back in Proto-Indo-European.

ModE tread < MidE treden < OE tredan < PWG *tredan < PG *trudaną < PIE *dreh₂

ModE trade < MidE trade (meaning "track") < MLG trade < OSax trada < PG *tradō < PIE *dreh₂

Also possibly related, assuming we merge the PID *dre_ variants which all have similar meanings:

  tramp[le]
  trap (something that gets stepped on)
  dromedary
  palindrome (run back again)
  ? troll
  ? dorm (allegedly there's an old "sleep" meaning with the same spelling - this is unrelated to "dream, draugr" which means "deceive" though!)
Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by Qworg on Wednesday June 19, 2024 @05:48PM (#40732754)
To add, it is more "to move heavily" - it has a negative correlation to agility and speed.

Cars don't trundle, overloaded trucks do.

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by adolph on Wednesday June 19, 2024 @06:09PM (#40732959)
And beds!
Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by alexwasserman on Thursday June 20, 2024 @11:16AM (#40739683)
Yes, and most of the robots I've seen tend to have a certain heavyweight chunkiness to them. I assume to keep them firmly planted and stable when around humans, lest they be knocked down and left unable to move.

Trundle seemed appropriate.

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by stevekemp on Wednesday June 19, 2024 @11:38PM (#40734630)
Fun piece of trivia, in the UK those (distance) measuring wheels are called "Trundle Wheels", which is a little redundant:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveyor%27s_wheel

Re:The return of pneumatic tubes by thaumasiotes on Thursday June 20, 2024 @05:03AM (#40736515)
I have a strong sense that modern use of this word is nearly all wiktionary's sense 5: "to move, heavily or clumsily". Wheels don't enter into it.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/trundle#Verb