Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds

Re:Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds by delecti on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @03:31PM (#40721279)

If you're human, you aren't an obligate carnivore, because humans can live healthily on a fully vegan diet. Animal products (meat, dairy, eggs) certainly gave pre-industrial humans a big boost as a dense and (at times) readily available source of calories and protein, but that's a far cry from "needing" it.

Modern usage of animal products for food is purely for convenience and pleasure. A point could be made that that's sufficent, but it's objectively not necessary.

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Re:Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds by wruza on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @07:10PM (#40723059)

I don't feel good without meat, and good substitutes are less available.

But my main point (which I started to write above but seemingly decided to omit, to my own confusion) is that this fear-cold-hunger-devour-alive-die-young bs is how wild nature works every day for eons. I am its creature and should see no guilt except for true sadism.

I agree with regulating bad farms away, but suffering through reduction of my already small demand to zero barely helps anything.

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Re:Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds by lukan on Wednesday June 19, 2024 @05:26AM (#40726485)

Yes, little animal babies get happily eaten by predators every day.

But they did not put them in cold metal boxes before to rot in their own shit.

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