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Re:Commercial perovskite solar modules at SNEC 2024 trade show by xbmcuser on Monday June 17, 2024 @08:23AM (#40704864)
Now the next big thing in home solar will be home batteries. BYD seagull Chinese car costs less than $10k it has a 30-32 kWh battery where as a Tesla powerwall costs around $9k for 13 kWh. With feed in tariff restrictions being added home battery market is going to explode.
Re:Commercial perovskite solar modules at SNEC 2024 trade show by ziggy_star on Monday June 17, 2024 @09:32AM (#40705467)
I'll look it up just for you.

Tesla powerwall 3 13.5 kWh - $9,300

EG4 Wall Mount Indoor Battery 14.3kWh - $3,300

https://signaturesolar.com/eg4-wallmount-indoor-battery-48v-...

I used to watch teardowns. It is all the same junk inside. It is a commodity you don't need Tesla or BYD to make you a pretty box really.

Here it is in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W4dTw_hXdU

These have come a very long way in recent years and the price will continue to drop but the same applies. You don't need to wait as you'll be saving a negligible amount going forward.

If you know what you are doing all in <$5,000 to go off the grid.

Re:Commercial perovskite solar modules at SNEC 2024 trade show by bryanlarsen on Monday June 17, 2024 @10:07AM (#40705770)
The EG4 is just a battery, the Powerwall includes an inverter etc. Not that adding a $1000 inverter to the EG4 battery will change your point much.
Re:Commercial perovskite solar modules at SNEC 2024 trade show by mlinhares on Monday June 17, 2024 @10:50AM (#40706156)
this is wild, are there companies in the US installing this?
Re:Commercial perovskite solar modules at SNEC 2024 trade show by ziggy_star on Monday June 17, 2024 @11:01AM (#40706277)
It's just for the bits and pieces. I wouldn't be intimidated as it is basically plug and play at this point.

The marketing, installation and paperwork triple or even quadruple the price as people way $whatever to not deal with it. Being a sparky is way more lucrative than even a plumber.

We picked the wrong career I tell you.

Here's the same fellow from above showing off the latest panels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v33nbi7gKcY

From his perspective it is down to $0.27 per watt.

In order to fill up those 14Kwh batteries you'll need fewer than 10 panels (400watts per panel, x4 hours sunshine). So less than $1,000.

The inverter is less than $1,000.

And the battery is heading to below $3,000.

YouTubers like MKBHD have videos up where they paid six figures for their setups and wonder whether it is worth it due to the long payback heh. I know not fair comparison whatever, we're just talking.

I have no idea what to do about NIMBY type problems but you can setup an off grid cabin somewhere with all the creature comforts very very easily now.

Re:Commercial perovskite solar modules at SNEC 2024 trade show by mlinhares on Monday June 17, 2024 @11:12AM (#40706414)
I have the whole solar setup already (financed at 1% so it was 100% worth it) but I don't have batteries, biggest problem for me i guess would be to do all the paperwork to have this sorted out.

If being a sparky didn't require apprenticeship i'd definitely consider that, the amount of money i've paid for these services have convinced me I'm not in the right field and i make high six figures as an engineer :(

Re:Commercial perovskite solar modules at SNEC 2024 trade show by AYBABTME on Monday June 17, 2024 @11:08AM (#40706353)
How do you DIY install this on your house, legally, though?
Re:Commercial perovskite solar modules at SNEC 2024 trade show by adolph on Monday June 17, 2024 @12:34PM (#40707624)
What kind of BMS do you like?

Do home systems do thermal control?

Re:Commercial perovskite solar modules at SNEC 2024 trade show by ziggy_star on Monday June 17, 2024 @12:53PM (#40707905)
You don't need to care about that anymore it is rolled up into the battery product.
Re:Commercial perovskite solar modules at SNEC 2024 trade show by AtlasBarfed on Monday June 17, 2024 @11:20AM (#40706502)
Sodium ion batteries are going to revolutionize the world