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Re:H.264 Is Magic (2016) by ksec on Friday June 14, 2024 @11:22PM (#40687262)
Content distribution licensing fees implies and refers to streaming and broadcasting.

Physical Media has always been a seperate and its own category.

Re:H.264 Is Magic (2016) by peutetre on Friday June 14, 2024 @11:24PM (#40687270)
No, it doesn't. You were wrong. Just accept that and be happy.
Re:H.264 Is Magic (2016) by ksec on Friday June 14, 2024 @11:26PM (#40687282)
Ok, I will bite

>>HEVC Advance and Velos Media even want content distribution licensing fees.

1. Are Broadcasting and Streaming "content distribution"?

2. Do HEVC Advance and Velos Media currently, or has ever charges for Broadcasting and Streaming?

And to quote: You were wrong. Just accept that and be happy.

Re:H.264 Is Magic (2016) by peutetre on Friday June 14, 2024 @11:27PM (#40687289)
There's nothing to bite. You've been wrong before. You'll be wrong again.
Re:H.264 Is Magic (2016) by ksec on Friday June 14, 2024 @11:29PM (#40687295)
LOL, You didn't even bother answering the question. I will let others be the judge. But it is rather obvious from your other reply about your knowledge on video codec.

Have a nice day.

Re:H.264 Is Magic (2016) by peutetre on Friday June 14, 2024 @11:30PM (#40687299)
Look, your claim is that selling movies on discs is not content distribution. But it clearly is.

You're just wrong. Don't worry about it.

Re:H.264 Is Magic (2016) by ksec on Friday June 14, 2024 @11:42PM (#40687350)
>Look, your claim is that selling movies on discs is not content distribution. But it clearly is.

1. No where did I make the claim selling movies on discs is not content distribution. It is however NOT ALL content distribution, which is what you implied. And Physical Media licensing has been is own category since MPEG2 as used in DVD.

2. You claim of content distribution does not include Streaming and Broadcasting. Which has been the debate of the HEVC / H,266 licensing programme during its early stage of IP Negotiation terms. If you dont know H.265's history on patent terms then my suggestion is that you read up on it. As it is often the FUD pointed towards H.265. And you are, knowing or not, repeating it.

3. >You're just wrong. Don't worry about it.

This is HN. Not Reddit. If you dont know something, ask. Stop pretending you know something that you dont.

Re:H.264 Is Magic (2016) by peutetre on Saturday June 15, 2024 @02:02AM (#40687803)
> As it is often the FUD pointed towards H.265

There is no uncertainty or doubt. The licensing of H.265 is well understood to be terrible.

You yourself are the perfect demonstration of this. You plainly don't know the terms of the licensing for all the different patent pools and individual licensors, and you've contradicted yourself multiple times in this thread. Let's review:

1. First you claimed there were no content distribution fees. That's false.

2. Next you claimed that "content distribution" only refers to streaming and broadcasting. That's false.

3. Then you claimed that "content distribution" does indeed include selling movies on discs. That's true and it means we're back at Claim 1.

Watching you flail about trying to save face is pretty funny, but more importantly it is the clear demonstration that you don't understand the terms of H.265 licensing which is, of course, why the licensing is so terrible.

One of the reasons AV1 is more usable is because its licensing is simpler, clearer, and more straightforward. You've proven that.

Re:H.264 Is Magic (2016) by ksec on Saturday June 15, 2024 @02:49AM (#40687951)
Thank You for explaining it. I will let HN be the judge.

Have a nice day.

Re:H.264 Is Magic (2016) by saagarjha on Saturday June 15, 2024 @03:16AM (#40688040)
Both of you come out looking pretty insufferable tbh
Re:H.264 Is Magic (2016) by seethedeaduu on Saturday June 15, 2024 @04:22AM (#40688306)
peutetre was clear from the start, ksec claimed that content distribution fees are not for physical media and to defend his position he asked "Do HEVC Advance and Velos Media currently, or has ever charges for Broadcasting and Streaming?" which makes no sense, since the specific topic was about physical media.
Re:H.264 Is Magic (2016) by ksec on Saturday June 15, 2024 @05:58AM (#40688685)
Please read form the start.

The specific was not about Physical media. The specific was that All content distribution requires fees. Physical media was not even specified in the original context.

Re:H.264 Is Magic (2016) by seethedeaduu on Sunday June 16, 2024 @03:23PM (#40699412)
Peutetre referred to physical media when talking about content distribution licensing. You then used a non-sequitur to argue that physical media don't fall under this category, so I will be siding with them. To be honest I don't really care about pointless internet arguments. I think it would be more intellectually interesting if you posted your issues with AOM instead (who I happen to also dislike)
Re:H.264 Is Magic (2016) by ksec on Saturday June 15, 2024 @06:15AM (#40688754)
TBH I had to suffer years of AOM and their supporter claiming themselves as Patent free. So I do get a easily annoyed by it.