Anders Hejlsberg Is Right: You Cannot Maintain Large Programs In JavaScript

Re:Anders Hejlsberg Is Right: You Cannot Maintain Large Prog... by mickeyp on Tuesday June 05, 2012 @05:10AM (#4067974)

True, but large systems are just, well, large. I'm not thinking startup land here, but entrenched applications in bigger businesses that grow organically to meet the need of the business.

Python 3 does have type annotations for use by linting tools, but it'll be another 5-6 years before we'll see that filter down into the current Python ecosystem. And even then, it's only as good as the weakest (non-annotated) piece of code. Retrofitting libraries and existing code will bring about its own issues: how do you accurately hint to linters, in a language that encourages duck typing, the type a method parameter is likely to take?

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Re:Anders Hejlsberg Is Right: You Cannot Maintain Large Prog... by regularfry on Tuesday June 05, 2012 @05:24AM (#4068008)

I'd have thought that taking a leaf out of Go's book and having passively-defined interfaces would be a useful concept for linter hints.

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Re:Anders Hejlsberg Is Right: You Cannot Maintain Large Prog... by berntb on Tuesday June 05, 2012 @05:21AM (#4068002)

>>how do you accurately hint to linters, in a language that encourages duck typing, the type a method parameter is likely to take?

You didn't check the Method::Signatures link or do I misunderstand your position?

Also check Moose@CPAN, which have typing of object attributes. It isn't like a fully typed language, but it should help a lot.

Edit: Link discussing type checking of attributes in Perl. Should be possible to have something similar in other dynamic languages? http://search.cpan.org/~doy/Moose-2.0602/lib/Moose/Util/Type...

Edit: Please check the links and see if Perl solves your problems? I am curious. (-: Writing a PEP to get something similar into Python is optional. :-)

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Re:Anders Hejlsberg Is Right: You Cannot Maintain Large Prog... by mickeyp on Tuesday June 05, 2012 @06:19AM (#4068094)

I didn't look, tbh. Python 3 already has type annotations, but what interests me if how do you nail down types whilst preserving duck typing, or dealing with a method that is already passed duck typed objects.

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Re:Anders Hejlsberg Is Right: You Cannot Maintain Large Prog... by berntb on Tuesday June 05, 2012 @06:45AM (#4068133)

I'm not going to copy/paste the content/source from links I've given. :-)

(There are easy-to-read abstracts/"synopsis" at the start of both pages.)

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