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Re:ASML Aims for Hyper-NA EUV, Shrinking Chip Limits by Edd1CC on Friday June 14, 2024 @01:16AM (#40677705)
Yep, when you get down to the raw materials used for these devices you get to three/four companies the supply chain relies on
Re:ASML Aims for Hyper-NA EUV, Shrinking Chip Limits by autorizo on Friday June 14, 2024 @01:51AM (#40677893)
What are the materials/companies?
Re:ASML Aims for Hyper-NA EUV, Shrinking Chip Limits by DoingIsLearning on Friday June 14, 2024 @03:40AM (#40678523)
Zeiss is pretty much _the_ single supplier of ASML's optics.

The tolerances required are simply crazy.

Re:ASML Aims for Hyper-NA EUV, Shrinking Chip Limits by sknzl on Friday June 14, 2024 @03:44AM (#40678544)
The lithography/EUV optics comes from Zeiss. The laser for generating the plasma from Trumpf. Both key elements that ASML would not be able to build in-house or get from a different supplier.
Re:ASML Aims for Hyper-NA EUV, Shrinking Chip Limits by varjag on Friday June 14, 2024 @04:03AM (#40678677)
There's a lot of expertise with lasers and precision optics around the world.
Re:ASML Aims for Hyper-NA EUV, Shrinking Chip Limits by Edd1CC on Friday June 14, 2024 @06:49AM (#40679533)
There’s always these weird bottlenecks in the supply chain though.

My favorite example is during Covid where reduced boron quantities resulted in less Pyrex glass that makes test tubes meaning transporting vaccines was at points rate limited.

I’ve read similar points in the components for lasers to ASML but can’t remember specifics. Chip shortage is the funny one, ASML require more chips that limit their turnaround times which in itself limits chips.

Re:ASML Aims for Hyper-NA EUV, Shrinking Chip Limits by chmod775 on Friday June 14, 2024 @08:13AM (#40680127)
There's a lot of expertise with lithography around the world too (companies like Canon builds lithography machines), but we're not talking the usual levels of it.
Re:ASML Aims for Hyper-NA EUV, Shrinking Chip Limits by varjag on Friday June 14, 2024 @04:38PM (#40684874)
It is impressive for sure, but still a lot of other things are. Mirror arrays on JWST, fusion ignition lasers. Diffraction limited optics aren't exactly last year development either: there's a host of other places across several countries who can match Zeiss for what is essentially bespoke builds.
Re:ASML Aims for Hyper-NA EUV, Shrinking Chip Limits by chmod775 on Friday June 14, 2024 @10:15PM (#40686983)
> there's a host of other places across several countries who can match Zeiss for what is essentially bespoke builds.

Ah yes. No development time involved here at all. They just built it. I don't know what ASML, TRUMPF, Zeiss, and occasionally the Fraunhofer Institute were mucking about for 25 years. Completely boring bespoke build. Bah. Could get it from anyone else by next week. Pick an off-the-shelf coating too and be done.

It's a wonder nobody else is taking a slice of those ~4 billion USD of revenue Zeiss is making off a bunch mirrors for lithography machines each year.