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Re:T-Mobile users thought they had a lifetime price lock–gue... by throw__away7391 on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @02:44AM (#40655286)
In most places geographically speaking no, but a number of US states including California and Florida which account for a disproportionate number of homes have passed laws protecting existing homeowners from property tax increases by capping the rate taxes can be raised to well below the rate of housing price inflation.

So as a new buyer you're paying not only a higher price and higher interest rate, but also higher taxes than the people you bought it from.

Re:T-Mobile users thought they had a lifetime price lock–gue... by bestnameever on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @03:02AM (#40655393)
Higher property taxes generally would lead to lower home prices.

But really, this applies with anything that you purchase. If the sales tax inceases, you may be taxed more for an identical item that was purchased prior to the sales tax increase.

States and cities have a variety of ways to tax people. They don't need to rely on property tax.

Re:T-Mobile users thought they had a lifetime price lock–gue... by bryanrasmussen on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @04:20AM (#40655791)
>Higher property taxes generally would lead to lower home prices.

this is not my experience - since property taxes are generally related to the desirability of the house and updated periodically (so often years after a price rise in area)

Re:T-Mobile users thought they had a lifetime price lock–gue... by mitchdoogle on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @11:39AM (#40659333)
It's definitely influencing my home buying decision. In Philadelphia area, Delaware County property taxes are a significant amount higher than neighboring Montgomery county. I am looking in both, but my budget is about $30k higher in Montgomery county because of the taxes. I would venture a guess that similar houses in Montgomery county generally sell for more than their counterparts in Delaware county.
Re:T-Mobile users thought they had a lifetime price lock–gue... by bryanrasmussen on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @02:57PM (#40661647)
the claim as I understand it is that the higher taxed houses will decrease in price in order to attract buyers, but property taxes are generally determined by prices, this would mean that house value should increase in Montgomery because lower taxes, and prices should decrease in Delaware because higher prices, and then in a few years the property taxes in Montgomery should increase and the taxes in Delaware should decrease.

I of course am aware that property taxes change over time, but I don't think this kind of strongly observable see-sawing of the property taxes actually exists - so probably more data than just guessing would be useful.

Re:T-Mobile users thought they had a lifetime price lock–gue... by nijave on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @08:48PM (#40664797)
Iirc housing is pretty inelastic
Re:T-Mobile users thought they had a lifetime price lock–gue... by silisili on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @02:50AM (#40655328)
I actually like how FL handles this. They don't stop it from increasing, they just slow the rate of increase. I'd say it's not fair for someone who budgeted appropriately to get forced out of their home for something out of their control, like the historic explosion of house prices.

In time it'll work itself out, assuming they stay long enough, as it still allows increases in a falling or stagnant market.

Re:T-Mobile users thought they had a lifetime price lock–gue... by kmonsen on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @02:56AM (#40655362)
That’s also what CA does
Re:T-Mobile users thought they had a lifetime price lock–gue... by DragonStrength on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @03:32AM (#40655536)
CA lets your kids inherit the tax treatment and allows corporations the same benefit. Once you do those things, it’s off in a whole other realm than normal homestead exemptions.

The rapid run-up of home values in the US has led other states to follow, but they generally have higher caps on increases and limit the treatment to your primary residence.

Re:T-Mobile users thought they had a lifetime price lock–gue... by silisili on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @03:04AM (#40655403)
Interesting, seems CA is 2% and FL is 3%.

Both should probably be pegged to the inflation rate nationally each year, which would probably bring them up a few ticks, but otherwise seems reasonable to me. For owner occupied of course, -not- landlords.

Re:T-Mobile users thought they had a lifetime price lock–gue... by throw__away7391 on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @04:24PM (#40662669)
> Both should probably be pegged to the inflation rate

Yes I agree...but not the CPI, it should be tied specifically to housing prices. You could even have the state hire appraises to figure out the value of each specific property and peg the rate of increase to that for each property owner.

Re:T-Mobile users thought they had a lifetime price lock–gue... by silisili on Thursday June 13, 2024 @12:16AM (#40665873)
I know this comment is tongue in cheek, but I still disagree. When you purchase a house, you look at principal, taxes, PMI, and insurance before making a decision. If you're responsible, I guess.

If your little city blows up, and your property value in the market is now 3x what it was, why should you be punished and even forced out if you can't afford the new taxes? New buyers do the same math, and decide they can afford it.. Yes they're paying more, but voluntarily on a likely overpriced asset.

I'm not saying the original owners should just pay less and that's fair, screw the new buyers. I just think the increase should be capped realistically.

Re:T-Mobile users thought they had a lifetime price lock–gue... by throw__away7391 on Thursday June 13, 2024 @02:11PM (#40672745)
The fair way to handle this would be to reduce the tax rate across the board in response to housing inflation. Somehow. Governments around the world are more than happy to see housing prices rise, as are existing property owners, so I am not exactly holding my breath for this to happen.
Re:T-Mobile users thought they had a lifetime price lock–gue... by throw__away7391 on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @04:21PM (#40662633)
I get the idea, but I do not like the outcome. It ends up being a largely regressive tax that hits people hardest and often at the worst possible time (e.g. just before or shortly after becoming a parent).

Of course any program if you look only at the beneficiaries is going to look good. We have embraced this attitude that broadly favors the sustaining the already established in their current condition in perpetuity, regardless of the cost to anyone else.