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Re:CodeAid: A classroom deployment of an LLM-based coding as... by lispisok on Saturday June 08, 2024 @02:58PM (#40619530)
My experience as a TA is students definitely do not have the knowledge to critically verify responses.
Re:CodeAid: A classroom deployment of an LLM-based coding as... by majeedkazemi on Saturday June 08, 2024 @03:02PM (#40619554)
Doesn't this make AI agents better? Given that human TAs do make mistakes a LOT, or in many cases are just unprepared (e.g. haven't done the programming assignment themselves)

Human TA's have ego, AI doesn't. With proper tools, you should be able to steer an AI agent.

I think both humans and AI agents both have their drawbacks and benefits. That's why the last section of the paper discusses that we even need to teach students (or provide tools) to help them decide where to use AI vs non-AI tools.

Re:CodeAid: A classroom deployment of an LLM-based coding as... by lispisok on Saturday June 08, 2024 @08:08PM (#40620983)
TA's can say things like "I dont know, lets figure it out together". LLMs will spit out false information as easily and confidently as true information.
Re:CodeAid: A classroom deployment of an LLM-based coding as... by throw46365 on Saturday June 08, 2024 @09:20PM (#40621294)
Humans have their drawbacks?

I have to say, I really urge you to consider the nature of your framing here.

As you can tell I am quietly (or maybe not-so-quietly) appalled by the zeitgeist around generative AI, but even if I were not, I hope I would still see that this kind of linguistic framing is insensitive and self-defeating if not wholly inappropriate and demeaning if you want to see any co-operation from educators, who are as a broad picture, tired, dedicated, hopeful people who -- unlike LLMs -- can and do place significant moral and ethical value on teaching.

Re:CodeAid: A classroom deployment of an LLM-based coding as... by nucrow on Saturday June 08, 2024 @09:49PM (#40621434)
I'm curious as to how you would frame it instead.
Re:CodeAid: A classroom deployment of an LLM-based coding as... by throw46365 on Saturday June 08, 2024 @10:25PM (#40621581)
I wouldn't put myself in that position.

When the question is of the form "what do you think about the ethical implications of using AIs?" and the quick answer is "humans also make mistakes" I think the entire premise is on pretty shaky ground.

Re:CodeAid: A classroom deployment of an LLM-based coding as... by nucrow on Sunday June 09, 2024 @01:47AM (#40622326)
I think I may have been unclear.

>... I would still see that this kind of linguistic framing is insensitive and self-defeating if not wholly inappropriate and demeaning if you want to see any co-operation from educators

I think this was spot on, and I agree with you. I meant to ask: have you thought about a way to frame it, in which educators don't feel threatened but instead excited ? Given that, from my perspective, there's a great chance to enhance both the teaching and learning experience, as well as results

Re:CodeAid: A classroom deployment of an LLM-based coding as... by throw46365 on Sunday June 09, 2024 @06:43AM (#40623508)
I don’t think I can answer because again I think I would not put myself in that position.

I am going to retreat from this argument because this entire topic has me questioning my planned career change away from development towards training.

If this is what people think about human teachers, what at all is the point?