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Re:Super Heavy has splashed down in The Gulf of Mexico by andrewflnr on Friday June 07, 2024 @11:57PM (#40615154)
> though the government did not capitulate.

Weirdly, that's how it almost always works out. Didn't work in England, didn't work in Germany, not working in Ukraine. Kinda makes that "though" look silly in retrospect. That's why today we consider bombing civilians to have no military utility.

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Re:Super Heavy has splashed down in The Gulf of Mexico by dotancohen on Monday June 10, 2024 @04:38PM (#40638712)
Yet you ignore some very well known successful recent bombing campaigns:

- NATO in Libya in 2011

- Operation Iraqi Freedom

- Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan)

- US and coalition campaign against ISIS

- Saudi bombing in Yemen have pretty much stalled the Houthis.

- Russia in Syria for the last decade

- France in the Sahel

- The Turks in Iraq and Syria, been going on for almost a decade.

- Israel against Hezbollah in summer of 2006, didn't get the captured soldiers back but did stall the rockets against Northern Israel. And in Gaza in 2014, similar result in stopping the rocket attacks.

- Kosovo in 1999

That's all off the top of my head, though I did have to Google the names a bit. And it's all within recent memory, I remember every one of those conflicts. I'm sure some old timers here will mention quite a few more, spanning further back in time and further geographically.

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Re:Super Heavy has splashed down in The Gulf of Mexico by andrewflnr on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @01:41AM (#40642806)
Did they specifically work by making the citizens push the government to capitulate? For that matter, could any of them have been successfully carried out with V1's? I'm not familiar with all of those, but I would wager no, in which case they're irrelevant to my point.

No one sane is disputing that bombing can have value, but modern military bombing is done with (relatively) precise strikes against militarily useful targets, not indiscriminate attacks on civilians. When Israel bombs a civilian building, it's at least because they think there are Hamas fighters or weapons there.

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Re:Super Heavy has splashed down in The Gulf of Mexico by dotancohen on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @02:55AM (#40643351) 

  > Did they specifically work by making the citizens push the government to capitulate?
That's a good question, I really don't know. I'll try to read a bit this weekend, thank you.
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Re:Super Heavy has splashed down in The Gulf of Mexico by dunekid on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @03:34PM (#40650517)
You have added a long list. Yet it would be worth noting that, Afghanistan didn't really work very well, in that the said government just waited for the occupation to leave. ISIS didn't have any civilian leadership/structure in the first place, that can be asked by a civilian population to stop. Yemen is still controlled by Houthis and the less said about the bombing the better.
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