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Re:In Colorado, an Ambitious New Highway Policy Is Not Build... by wongarsu on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:08AM (#40535392)
Crucially, the road network also operates at a loss
Re:In Colorado, an Ambitious New Highway Policy Is Not Build... by akira2501 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @04:05PM (#40548666)
In the first level analysis.

Once you realize the sheer amount of commerce and business that is enabled by roads you see that they pay for themselves several times over.

Re:In Colorado, an Ambitious New Highway Policy Is Not Build... by thriftwy on Saturday June 01, 2024 @04:40PM (#40548907)
Once you realize the sheer amount of commerce and business that is enabled by a decent metro system you see that they pay for itself several times over.

That's even easier to measure because these gains are localized.

Re:In Colorado, an Ambitious New Highway Policy Is Not Build... by akira2501 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @04:47PM (#40548946)
Right. So let's have both! You can't replace the capabilities of roads with metro and you can't replace the convenience of a metro with roads.

Specifically, though, viewing roads or metro as a "loss leader" is probably an inappropriate analysis.

Re:In Colorado, an Ambitious New Highway Policy Is Not Build... by prmoustache on Saturday June 01, 2024 @05:38PM (#40549284)
Actually, it has been shown that removing cars increase commerce.
Re:In Colorado, an Ambitious New Highway Policy Is Not Build... by akira2501 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @05:41PM (#40549299)
This is a universal outcome with research to back it up?
Re:In Colorado, an Ambitious New Highway Policy Is Not Build... by prmoustache on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:06PM (#40549454)
yes but I am about to go to bed so the link mihht come only tomorrow.

Also some studies have calculated the impact on health in the society and calculated a cost to the society per km of driving a car and the money saved when doing the same km walking or with a bicycle.

Re:In Colorado, an Ambitious New Highway Policy Is Not Build... by twoodfin on Saturday June 01, 2024 @04:10PM (#40548698)
The difference is that the gas tax or similar user fees could easily (if politically feasible) be scaled up to cover both capital and operating expenses for the entire road and highway network.

If you tried to do that for merely the operating costs of many transit systems, they’d enter a death spiral.

Re:In Colorado, an Ambitious New Highway Policy Is Not Build... by silisili on Saturday June 01, 2024 @04:54PM (#40548999)
From what I'd read, the majority of road wear comes from tractor trailers, who don't nearly cover their costs.

It may help to either tax them directly, or indirectly via diesel. Yes, costs pass to consumers, but it would also encourage more done via ship and train, I feel. Even that would be a huge help to clearing up traffic and lowering infra spend.