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Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by lxgr on Thursday May 30, 2024 @05:26PM (#40528909)
I know this is a popular opinion and I might or might not be in the minority here, but I don't miss the headphone jack on my phone at all, and every gram of battery or other functionality that has taken its place is worth it for me. Water proofing one connector (USB-C) is probably also easier than two.

For the increasingly unlikely case in which I really do need wired headphones, I just carry them with an adapter permanently plugged into them.

> a miniscule onboard amplifier

That amplifier would be dead weight for me! (To be fair, it would be in good company with all the power amplifiers for 5G bands not available in my country, but I get the point of unifying SKUs globally and I can hardly plug one of these in with an adapter when traveling.)

Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by meatmanek on Thursday May 30, 2024 @05:32PM (#40528950)
This is becoming less and less common for me as phone battery life gets better, but on long flights it's annoying to have to choose between charging your phone and using your headphones.
Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by lxgr on Thursday May 30, 2024 @05:34PM (#40528966)
There are USB-C-to-3.5mm adapters that have an additional USB-C power input! They are a bit more clunky obviously, but if that's a common problem for you, that might be a solution.
Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by TimeBearingDown on Friday May 31, 2024 @11:52AM (#40536698)
I have two of these for that reason, in addition to my three USB-C dongles and three Lightning dongles.

The dongle life is so much fun, especially when packing for a flight!

Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by Control8894 on Thursday May 30, 2024 @05:39PM (#40529009)
Nothing has taken its place, and you didn't even get anything cheaper. The only one who won was Apple.
Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by lxgr on Thursday May 30, 2024 @05:48PM (#40529087)
Have you looked at an x-ray or disassembly video of an iPhone? There isn't a lot of empty space in there.

And what have Google and Samsung won by people having to buy a USB-C adapter, most likely for them? They also removed the headphone jack, and have never had a proprietary adapter standard to replace them.

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Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by lxgr on Thursday May 30, 2024 @06:08PM (#40529261)
Seems like there was even room for some ad hominem attacks!
Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by TimeBearingDown on Friday May 31, 2024 @11:42AM (#40536580)
Google, Samsung, and Apple all have lucrative wireless earphone businesses, or would like to. Simpler design with less components is also a win for them.

Didn’t someone add a jack to an iPhone 7? Difficult for DIY, but not impossible. I saw a similar mod for an iPhone 13 as well. https://www.strangeparts.com/bringing-back-the-iphone-headph...

I’d pay quite a sum for such a service. The value of a lossless, universally compatible port is hard to overstate. At the very least they could give us a second USB-C port on top-end phones.

Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by umanwizard on Thursday May 30, 2024 @05:42PM (#40529037)
Do you honestly think they removed the headphone jack for no reason?
Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by Control8894 on Thursday May 30, 2024 @05:56PM (#40529163)
Of course not. They removed it because it saves them money, thus increasing their profit margins.
Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by brokenmachine on Thursday May 30, 2024 @07:32PM (#40529955)
They removed it so they could sell overpriced airpods and dongles, and simultaneously kill the 3rd party headphone market.

You think the literal few cents that a headphone jack costs would be more of an incentive than being able to force their victims to buy $300 disposable headphones?

How anyone could claim in good faith to not understand this, I can't even.

They even purposely gimp the USBC port they were forced to add so it doesn't support headset microphones.

Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by lxgr on Thursday May 30, 2024 @06:06PM (#40529246)
Why should any manufacturer include components in a device that customers clearly don’t value enough for it to make a difference to them?

I get the objection to Apple artificially creating demand for proprietary adapters; I dislike that too.

But what good would it do me if they make me pay for a component I don’t need? I don’t get gratification out of reducing (nor increasing) their bottom line.

Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by brokenmachine on Thursday May 30, 2024 @07:39PM (#40530000)
>Why should any manufacturer include components in a device that customers clearly don’t value enough for it to make a difference to them?

If Apple sold a model with a headphone jack and a model without, then we could compare sales numbers between the two models and you could make that claim.

Of course, Apple doesn't sell a model with a headphone jack.

What they do sell however, coincidentally enough, is $300 wireless headphones.

Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by lxgr on Thursday May 30, 2024 @08:25PM (#40530272)
But you can also use $10 wired non-Apple headphones with an iPhone, so why does Apple selling more expensive ones matter?
Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by brokenmachine on Thursday May 30, 2024 @08:54PM (#40530409)
Because artificially limiting the available options will encourage some to buy the Apple expensive ones.
Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by lxgr on Thursday May 30, 2024 @09:01PM (#40530447)
Why should it matter to me what some people choose to do as long as there are good alternatives?
Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by brokenmachine on Thursday May 30, 2024 @09:23PM (#40530558)
I believe that it should be obvious that the headphone jack was removed purely as a self-serving business decision because Apple wanted to sell more overpriced accessories, and not because customers didn't want it.

I'd also like to make the comment that almost all high-quality headphones are made for analog jacks.

So as a person who values high-quality audio, I am not interested in wireless headphones of any kind, cheap shitty USBC headphones, or needing to use an ugly inconvenient dongle to use my good headphones.

Lucky for me I'm not an Apple customer anyway for a myriad of reasons, but I'd argue there are no good alternatives for what would be my use case.

Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by qubitcoder on Friday May 31, 2024 @01:15AM (#40531734)
The ATH-M50xSTS StreamSet is fantastic. And it works perfectly via USB-C.

[1] https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/ath-m50xsts

Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by brokenmachine on Friday May 31, 2024 @01:47AM (#40531886)
That's why I specified cheap shitty USBC headphones.

I also note that those need a large ugly USBA to USBC adapter.

If I'm honest, the design of those also doesn't personally appeal to me, and I've tried AT headphones before and I didn't find them comfortable and didn't like the sound. For phone use I'd be looking for IEMs and not over the ear models too.

I am aware that there are good USBC headphones out there, but the available options are so much fewer than analog headphones.

Also, I already have good analog headphones.

Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by lxgr on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:05AM (#40535362)
If you don't want cheap, shitty USB-C headphones... don't get them? I really don't get your point.

3.5mm to USB-C adapters are tiny and can include a much higher quality DAC than most phones reasonably will. Into those, you can then plug any headphone your heart or ears desire.

Audiophiles are such a niche market all things considered, and on top of that they seem to prefer their own DACs and/or headphone pre-amplifiers anyway – why waste space and money for a headphone jack that most users wouldn't use, and the ones that do would augment with external dongles anyway?

And for users that just don't want to deal with charging and pairing Bluetooth headphones, cheap headphones and adapters do just fine as well.

Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by TimeBearingDown on Friday May 31, 2024 @11:50AM (#40536670)
Now I need to buy three dongles, one for my car, one for home, and one for my go-bag, and do a silly scramble when I misplace the tiny. Plus buy USB-C replacements now that Lightning is dead. The dongle is also ugly (doesn’t match my phone or earphones) and easily broken, with an incredibly thin wire.

It’s just a worse situation all around. The DAC and amp built into the iPhone previously was of similar quality. Now life - especially working with audio gear - is more complicated and annoying, so that Tim could sell more e-waste.

Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by danieldk on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:03AM (#40544350)
They also sell $19 lightning and USB-C EarPods, which were/are exactly the same price as the mini-jack EarPods. Or if you want to use different headphones, a $10 lightning/USB-C to jack adapter. They must be getting rich of those $19 headphones :p.

People in tech circles also lambasted Apple for removing DVD drives and a lot of other things. Yet a lot of non-tech people prefer Bluetooth ANC buds or headphones.

Also, if they were so intent on killing the jack for money, why do they still have it on MacBooks and even upgraded it with an amplifier that supports high-impedance headphones?

Better waterproofing and re-using the space sound like perfectly valid reasons.

Re:A crazy experience losing Apple earbuds in a remote town ... by brokenmachine on Monday June 10, 2024 @09:26PM (#40641290)
>They must be getting rich of those $19 headphones :p.

Artificially limiting the available options coincidentally encourages some to buy the $300 headphones.

Selling some $300 headphones is better than none.

>Also, if they were so intent on killing the jack for money, why do they still have it on MacBooks and even upgraded it with an amplifier that supports high-impedance headphones?

They will remove it when they can. The laptop frog is not yet boiled enough.

>Better waterproofing and re-using the space sound like perfectly valid reasons.

Phones haven't gotten thinner or more waterproof despite removing the headphone jack.

My Samsung S10 5G from 2019 is the same thickness and has IP68 waterproofing just like the iPhone 15, but does have a headphone jack.

Coincidentally, it's the last flagship Samsung with a headphone jack.

Phone companies are just regurgitating the same shit year over year.

The SOCs take up the same space and batteries should be improving, so I don't accept space saving as a valid reason, especially when they haven't become slimmer.

I wish all the companies would just make the best phone they could instead of nickel and diming their customers.

But Apple is definitely the worst offender, and does their best to normalize so much anti-consumer stuff.