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Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by snowpid on Thursday May 30, 2024 @12:07PM (#40525316)
I'm tired of Russian propaganda.

Euro maidan was right, just ask some Ukrainians.

Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by ein0p on Thursday May 30, 2024 @12:13PM (#40525384)
I’m tired of Deep State propaganda. Overthrowing the government people democratically voted for is never “right”. Just ask East Ukrainians who elected the president who was later overthrown, and refused to go along with this bullshit. Or are they not “Ukrainians”?
Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by tharmas on Thursday May 30, 2024 @04:14PM (#40528083)
I agree with you.

What has me worried is not the fact that people have been brainwashed by propaganda but their refusal or inability to see the other side of the argument.

This intransigence goes right up to the highest levels of Western governments. The War in Ukraine is lost yet leaders refuse to accept that and negotiate a peace deal. Not only that, they are trying to escalate the situation by saying its ok to use Western supplied weapons to attack targets in Russia. Russia is a nuclear power for God's sakes. This is reckless behavior. Irresponsible.

Even Thatcher had the wisdom to negotiate with the I.R.A.

Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by recursivedoubts on Thursday May 30, 2024 @04:28PM (#40528249)
it would make sense if your intention was to depopulate the ukraine & maybe buy it up on the cheap (all wars are banker wars?)

i can't make much sense of it beyond that

Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by tharmas on Thursday May 30, 2024 @05:17PM (#40528819)
Well, European elites are keen to get their hands on Western Ukrainian agricultural land. Agriculture in Western Europe is heavily subsidized. So there is that.

Eastern Ukraine is mostly Industrial and would likely lose out to more modern Industry in Europe. So less incentive for Eastern (Russian speaking) Ukrainians to join Europe. Which was one reason why Yanukovich reneged on signing the EU Association Agreement as his political base was mostly in Eastern Ukraine. And the deal was quite "neoliberal", meaning Eastern Ukrainian Industry was going to get shut down without much economic relief. The other was pressure from Putin and the fact that the Russians offered a very attractive counter offer of a deal.

Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by snowpid on Friday May 31, 2024 @01:22AM (#40531774)
You know most Russian speaking Ukrainians don't speak it anymore. Why? They are dead. Or refuse it because of Russian bombs.

Ukrainians wanted a decent life. Putin didn't like it. So as a consequence he started the war.

Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by ein0p on Friday May 31, 2024 @09:48AM (#40535114)
60% fewer civilians died in this conflict in 2+ years than in Gaza in 6 months. Official UN data. Also, at least half those killed are killed by Ukrainian artillery. Ukrainian officials are on video calling them non-human, biological waste, “unnecessary”, and calling for ethnic cleansing of Donbass of its 4 million inhabitants. You can easily find this on YouTube. All because these people did not agree to go along with Victoria Nuland’s coup. Moreover, Russia has (thus far) accepted 3M+ Ukrainian refugees. There’s a flash mob on TikTok of them tearing up their Ukrainian passports and showing off Russian ones.
Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by mopsi on Friday May 31, 2024 @09:51AM (#40535162)
> Official UN data.

Which by their own admission is incomplete and of very poor quality, because no-one lets them count the dead in places like Mariupol. The picture is as muddy as with Jews in Europe during the WWII. Some are refugees, many are unaccounted, and nobody knows where they are. Probably in those mass graves Russians have dug everywhere.

Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by ein0p on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:11AM (#40535418)
Yeah, everyone here in the US knows to only trust Ukrainian “data”, and never watch any interviews with people from Mariupol, which would tell you that the vast majority of killed civilians were killed by Ukrainian artillery and snipers. Ukraine quite literally stationed neo-Nazi Azov battalion in Mariupol. In 2014 they had to enter the city like so: https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=Afu+enter...
Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by mopsi on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:27AM (#40535642)
It is the third year of a three-day war, are you not aware how stale these long-debunked talking points sound by now?
Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by racional on Friday May 31, 2024 @04:47PM (#40540068)
And never watch any interviews with people from Mariupol, which would tell you that the vast majority of killed civilians were killed by Ukrainian artillery and snipers.

I wonder who made those videos, and who they're affiliated with. And also the persons speaking in them.

Perhaps you'd like to tell us?

Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by snowpid on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:31AM (#40535685)
" There’s a flash mob on TikTok of them tearing up their Ukrainian passports and showing off Russian ones. " Are you paid or just so stupid to believe in Russian propaganda?

Again I recommend for others to talk to Ukrainians. Some of them are "Russian speaking". None of them has sympathy for Putin.

Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by water9 on Friday May 31, 2024 @06:42PM (#40541099)
Are you so stupid as to not realize that The amount of money we spent in Ukraine could’ve solved homelessness in America 12 times over? Are you so stupid as to overlook the fact that we sell them the missiles to blow themselves up then we come in finance the reconstruction and take their oil to pay for it? Have you heard of that playbook before? Why doesn’t Russia use its Air Force? Why isn’t Russia trying? Well, for one restricting oil helps make Russia rich. There’s so much more going on In this war that Taking advantage of people to enrich themselves. I met a girl making $400,000 a year In Ukraine, vacationing in America, selling military clothing. Stop using the Ukrainians cannon fodder and negotiate a peace deal. There’s no good way this thing can end But there are ways to avoid catastrophic ends
Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by snowpid on Saturday June 01, 2024 @02:33AM (#40543406)
It is funny that on HN American assummes I am American. (Everyone else not, we know each other ) In my country 60% agree to spend the money for Ukrainians (weapons or refugees). "Stop using the Ukrainians cannon fodder " I think we should the Ukrainians themselves and their democratic elected government on these decisions, certainly not the American one. "Why doesn’t Russia use its Air Force? Why isn’t Russia trying?" There are still people thinking the Russian military is good? Lol. They don't use their Air force like you image because they can't . Thanks to Patriots , Iris T, Samp T, Gepard, etc.
Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by snowpid on Friday May 31, 2024 @01:20AM (#40531763)
They are dead. Killed by Russian bombs.

Also which Deep State. Are you thinking US government is the only state in the world?

Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by ein0p on Friday May 31, 2024 @09:42AM (#40535038)
Actually no, they’re still right where they were. It’s just that nobody is interested in what they have to say.
Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by snowpid on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:27AM (#40535629)
one of them is just the president of Ukraine. Clearly nobody listening to him.
Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by ein0p on Friday May 31, 2024 @07:58PM (#40541514)
You clearly know absolutely nothing about the conflict. Meanwhile my Ukrainian (and pro-Russian) wife from Kharkov is just shaking her head when I show her your embarrassing posts.
Re:The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington) by snowpid on Saturday June 01, 2024 @02:28AM (#40543379)
You mean I know nothing about the conflict because I insist on the observation that many native Russian speaking Ukrainians refuse to speak Russian because of the war, including the Russian speaking Ukrainian president?

Maybe your wife does not know much about the conflict. How does she feel about glide bombs on her home town, on civilian buildings? What does she think why Ukrainians call the town Charkiv and not Charkow? Can you tell me the answer, oh wise man of conspiracy theories.