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Re:Google releases smart watch for kids by lolinder on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @10:19PM (#40519477)
> Your kids don't learn independence and how to be self sufficient.

Doesn't this depend on how the tracking is used, not on whether the tracking is present at all?

My wife and I share our location with each other and I don't actually know if she uses my location at all. If she does, she doesn't mention it. I use it occasionally to get a sense for when to expect her back or to find her when we need to meet up for something.

When our kids are old enough to have phones I imagine that we'll add them to the location-sharing circle we have and continue to use it in much the same way. For us it won't be about monitoring them at all times, it's just a helpful convenience for running a household.

Re:Google releases smart watch for kids by godelski on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @11:35PM (#40519824)
> Doesn't this depend on how the tracking is used, not on whether the tracking is present at all?

Of course. I think most people would agree that this would be an implicit assumption not worth explicitly mentioning. Do you think that's non-obvious? To me it seems rather obvious since in the extreme case if you bought the device and never actually used any of the features (but still put it on your kid) then clearly it'd have no effect. There's clearly a lot of gray area in between.

But I think it is quite common for these types of devices to be significantly more desirable and predominantly used by those who intend to use it for persistent tracking. Because the value/utility is significantly lower for those that don't (we can agree that these factors are significantly related, right?).

From your specific example, I don't think anyone arguing against this type of device would be worried about that type of usage. My partner and I often share locations with one another, but honestly we often forget we shared it and end up literally asking instead lol. But my experience has been that we are the abnormal ones and others use the feature much more.

Re:Google releases smart watch for kids by wonderwonder on Thursday May 30, 2024 @12:11AM (#40519992)
"But my experience has been that we are the abnormal ones and others use the feature much more"

I think you would find that you are the normal ones. My family has had it turned on for over a year now. I don't know I have ever used it to find my wife and I use it ~ once a month on my oldest now that he is venturing out on his own to ensure he got to where he was going. I have discussed it with several friends / acquaintances and their use is similar to mine.

I think your assumption that everyone actively tracks each other and over uses it is assigning an edge case to the majority. Its a simple safety feature to most, there when its needed.

your assumption that "it is quite common for these types of devices to be significantly more desirable and predominantly used by those who intend to use it for persistent tracking" is flawed and I don't think based on most people experience.

Re:Google releases smart watch for kids by smogcutter on Thursday May 30, 2024 @12:57AM (#40520213)
I don’t care if my wife knows my location either. She’s my partner, not my parent. Thankfully, I’m not a teen trying to develop a sense of autonomy and self reliance independent of my wife’s supervision.

As other posters have pointed out, no one really knows anything about anyone else’s life from an HN post.

That said, the whole point of the panopticon is that if the prisoner doesn’t know when they’re being observed, they’re effectively always observed. It’s a concern that’s at least worth giving serious consideration, not dismissing out of hand because it happens to work for you and your wife.

Re:Google releases smart watch for kids by lolinder on Thursday May 30, 2024 @01:46AM (#40520489)
> Thankfully, I’m not a teen trying to develop a sense of autonomy and self reliance independent of my wife’s supervision.

Just a note that I don't think anyone is thinking of these watches as being for teenagers. They appear targeted at much younger kids, 8-11ish.

Re:Google releases smart watch for kids by kelnos on Thursday May 30, 2024 @04:53AM (#40521540)
Fair, but I think discussion has morphed into that of parental surveillance in general, regardless of age.

I'm sure there are plenty of parents who have given them smartphones and require their kids to always share their location with them, all the way through their teen years.

Re:Google releases smart watch for kids by godelski on Thursday May 30, 2024 @01:59AM (#40520554)
> the whole point of the panopticon

Yeah I think this is an important point and I think it is also worth adding that this is the same premise of 1984. Not that Winston (or anyone) is being specifically surveilled by a physical person at any given time, but rather that Big Brother __could__ be watching/listening at any time.

And it is important to also stress the difference in power dynamics between husband/wife and parent/child. These are apples and oranges; both round fruit but different categories at an important level. Like you said, the teen is learning who they are while a partner has already made significant strides in this direction and (hopefully) has already learned autonomy. Children must make mistakes, but the goal is to prevent large ones. Difference between getting a burn by touching the stove and catching oneself on fire.