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Re:Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's b... by jcranmer on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @11:38PM (#40508204)
> What about Sam Altman led such a huge number of employees to threaten to follow him out the door?

My understanding is that a fair amount of it was essentially peer pressure. If you're an employee whose CEO has just been fired for unclear reasons, and someone hands you a chain letter saying "restate him or everyone will quit" and you're told everyone's signing that letter and there's already someone who promised to hire everyone who quits into their current role at equal pay, would you sign it?

Re:Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's b... by tptacek on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @11:39PM (#40508217)
My understanding is that it was not so much peer pressure so much as an explicitly coordinated worker action, based on a rational assessment of what their comp packages would look like if the board's plan played out completely.
Re:Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's b... by gorbypark on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @04:59AM (#40509900)
In my opinion this is most likely.

Scenario A, Sam Altman continues as CEO and the for profit arm of OpenAI continues to call the shots, growth and market share continue to be priority number one.

Scenario B, Sam Altman is fired, OpenAI non-profit board (re?)-asserts more control. Safety, alignment and other things like that take priority over growth and market share.

x% of Employees are Sam believers, and when the remaining x% of ambiguous/non-Sam believers realize the first x% might leave, their PSUs would be worth significantly less, so they sign the letter as well. There is also the peer pressure / fear of retribution factor as well once it becomes likely there is even a chance of Sam being reinstated.

Many employees choose scenario A because it is likely their "profit sharing units" will be worth more than with scenario B. There's a non-zero chance that OpenAI (the for profit arm) eventually joins the ranks of the "FAANG" companies. Those PSUs might be worth millions today, but in the future could be worth "fuck you" levels of money.

Re:Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's b... by tptacek on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @12:09PM (#40513503)
Yeah, for what it's worth, I'm not guessing about the comment I wrote; could be totally wrong, but it's something I heard from two different people close to the story.
Re:Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's b... by MyFedora on Thursday May 30, 2024 @05:24AM (#40521680)
So then why did the board re-hire Sam Altman? A non-profit board should want a CEO befitting a non-profit company in my eyes, not one that promotes a for-profit culture. I see losing employees with for-profit motives as a desirable side effect of firing Sam Altman.
Re:Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's b... by stale2002 on Thursday May 30, 2024 @07:03PM (#40529733)
> I see losing employees with for-profit motives as a desirable side effect of firing Sam Altman.

That would shutdown the entire company.

And I would hope that wasn't their goal.

> So then why did the board re-hire Sam Altman?

Presumably so that the entire company wouldn't be shutdown.

Re:Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's b... by MyFedora on Friday May 31, 2024 @07:24AM (#40533667)
> That would shutdown the entire company.

Yeah... and? OpenAI is pretty much a for-profit company now. Why shouldn't a non-profit board pull the plug on a non-profit turned for-profit? Isn't that a part of their job?

Re:Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's b... by stale2002 on Friday May 31, 2024 @01:05PM (#40537616)
> Yeah... and?

And then it can't use that money on its mission because it shut down.

> Isn't that a part of their job?

No, it isn't. Their job would be to use the income that they received from that part of the business and spend it on their mission.

There are all sorts of non profits that operate in a similar way.

In fact acting sustainably is generally a positive for non-profits because it means that you can be more effective for longer without having to rely on donations.