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Re:Priced out of home ownership – 'It makes me want to throw... by cgh on Monday May 27, 2024 @06:09PM (#40495229)
Yes, at one time it was estimated that roughly 1/3 of Vancouver’s condo supply was vacant. So the city implemented an empty homes tax [0] and promptly raised $115,000,000 in tax revenue [1].

However, the tax is still far too low and it contains various loopholes that allows developers to hold condos empty for years until deep-pocketed buyers show up [2].

Vancouver isn’t unique. Housing is being traded like poker chips everywhere, often but not always by ultra-wealthy foreign nationals with zero regard for the local consequences.

[0] https://vancouver.ca/home-property-development/empty-homes-t...

[1] https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-empty-homes-tax-st...

[2] https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/dan-fumano-some-new...

Re:Priced out of home ownership – 'It makes me want to throw... by ZoomerCretin on Monday May 27, 2024 @06:28PM (#40495371)
Vancouver has obscene housing prices because the city and the politically connected spend tens of thousands of hours fighting against any new housing, and any new supply. Just look at what happened when the Squamish Nation decided they were going to build high rises on the land they were given: https://reason.com/volokh/2024/03/14/canadian-indigeneous-na...

The entire city and all of the NIMBYs cried about their "neighborhood character" and tried every legal trick they could to block the development: threatening to not connect it to utilities.

Vancouver literally has single family homes within half a mile of downtown! Clearly there is room for growth.

Re:Priced out of home ownership – 'It makes me want to throw... by seanmcdirmid on Monday May 27, 2024 @07:14PM (#40495695)
I think a lot of people still feel burned by the property crash in the 1990s, when you saw billboards on I5 driving up offering flats for $100k in 1997.
Re:Priced out of home ownership – 'It makes me want to throw... by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @01:56AM (#40497754)
(Note I actually remember seeing those billboards and pointing it out to my gf at the time on how affordable Vancouver housing was, when she just spent $200k on a two bedroom in Issaquah)
Re:Priced out of home ownership – 'It makes me want to throw... by __turbobrew__ on Monday May 27, 2024 @11:46PM (#40497139)
British Columbia passed province wide zoning to allow quad plexes on every single family home lot, so hopefully that will help.

Vancouver is full of a population which kicked out the ladder after they got theirs. We moved away a few years ago and haven’t regretted it since.

Re:Priced out of home ownership – 'It makes me want to throw... by slothtrop on Monday May 27, 2024 @10:14PM (#40496745)
The vacancy rate in Vancouver is now minimal.
Re:Priced out of home ownership – 'It makes me want to throw... by dleslie on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @09:31AM (#40500578)
3% vacancy tax producing $115M in revenue indicates roughly $3.8B in empty housing stock. Average condo prices in the CoV are roughly $2.1M, and so we can conclude there is likely around, or a little less than, 2000 empty condos hit by this tax.

That's not 1/3 of Vancouver's condo supply. Not by a long shot.

Re:Priced out of home ownership – 'It makes me want to throw... by hedora on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @11:27AM (#40501662)
I'd guess that many of the unused condos are borderline condemned, and priced way below median. So, it's possible there are ~20,000 condos that need enough work to make repair uneconomical.

Still, it doesn't sound like that'd make much of a dent in Vancouver's housing supply. (Razing them and building higher density buildings might, though.)

Re:Priced out of home ownership – 'It makes me want to throw... by dleslie on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @12:17PM (#40502357)
IIRC, the oft-repeated and rarely-cited 1/3 vacancy is a misunderstood statistic which showed that 1/3 of condos in BC are investor-owned[0]; where an investment property is any property where the owner is not the occupant.

0: https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/02/03/bc-condos-investor-...

Re:Priced out of home ownership – 'It makes me want to throw... by broken_clock on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @12:05PM (#40502183)
> roughly 1/3 of Vancouver’s condo supply was vacant.

Why do you choose to just tell lies?

Re:Priced out of home ownership – 'It makes me want to throw... by nayuki on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @12:51PM (#40502758)
> it was estimated that roughly 1/3 of Vancouver’s condo supply was vacant

Did you misread something? Maybe from this post:

> https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-empty-homes-tax-st...

> Empty Homes Tax has reduced Vancouver's number of vacant homes by 36%

> After five years of the EHT being in effect, the total number of vacant properties within Vancouver has fallen to 1,398 homes or 36% fewer properties compared to 2017, when the tax regime first launched.

The statement about 36% is a relative percentage, not absolute percentage points. What happened is that ~2184 homes were vacant in 2017, and fell by 36% to 1398 in 2022.

It's saying that of the homes that were originally vacant, there is 36% less of that now. It is not saying that of all homes that exist, the vacancy rate decreased by 36%.