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Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by jbjbjbjb on Sunday May 26, 2024 @07:27PM (#40486290)
I always thought that name was strange but I never thought to look it up. Stats books are so dry, they don’t have the inclination to share these kinds of stories.
Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by alpple on Sunday May 26, 2024 @07:43PM (#40486339)
I wonder if dry reading means written without the influence of drink. I couldn't find an answer online. But, if so, it would be ironic to describe a stat book that ignored a brewer as dry.
Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by jldugger on Sunday May 26, 2024 @07:58PM (#40486406)
> Stats books are so dry, they don’t have the inclination to share these kinds of stories.

It doesn't have to be that way. My pandemic lockdown read was a 10 dollar Stats textbook[1], that comes with tons of classic examples: the Salk polio vaccine, a prosecutor misusing the multiplication rule using purely circumstantial evidence ("what are the odds that police pulled over the wrong couple matching 10 different pieces of description by the victim?"), the classic Gallup poll showing FDR would defeat Landon (versus incumbent _Literary Digest_ showing a Landon win), Gosset's history with Guiness, the early history of probability as gambling strategy, a controversy over Mendel's data on pea plant heredity being _too_ clean, and so on.

Sadly, while this book left me well prepared to apply statistical reasoning in my day job, it's departure from typical pedagogy left me feeling unprepared for further reading based on perusal of Stats Wikipedia -- what's a kernel? what's a moment? etc.

[1]: https://www.amazon.com/Statistics-Fourth-David-Freedman-eboo...

Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by madcaptenor on Sunday May 26, 2024 @09:40PM (#40486897)
In a former life I taught some intro stat courses from this book. It’s a good book for an intro course for people who aren’t going on to further stat classes, although I think for a current class I’d want something that acknowledges how statistics and computers have gotten all tied up with each other. (I don’t have any recommendations - it’s not my job to know this any more.)
Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by ayhanfuat on Sunday May 26, 2024 @07:45PM (#40486347)
You probably missed it. This is something stat book authors love to mention. I don’t remember a stat intro book that doesn’t have a footnote for “Student t”.
Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by BeetleB on Sunday May 26, 2024 @10:04PM (#40487007)
Just went through mine a few months ago. It definitely doesn't have it.
Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by whimsicalism on Sunday May 26, 2024 @10:31PM (#40487124)
what book? i'm honestly curious because of how frequently this story is repeated in stats textbooks
Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by BeetleB on Monday May 27, 2024 @01:15PM (#40492704)
The author is Jay Devore.
Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by TillE on Sunday May 26, 2024 @07:37PM (#40486315)
The history of just about anything is very interesting, but it's generally not relevant in a textbook which has a specific purpose.
Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by mp05 on Sunday May 26, 2024 @07:49PM (#40486367)
I agree with the sentiment, but I always have wondered what t-test a real engineer uses and why they only teach the "Student" version. Given the context, a bit of a clarifier would have been appreciated.
Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by nxobject on Sunday May 26, 2024 @07:57PM (#40486399)
Wait until you hear about the bad blood between Fisher and Pearson.
Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by whimsicalism on Sunday May 26, 2024 @08:29PM (#40486554)
sorry but this is a classic story mentioned in almost every basic stats textbook i’ve read
Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by roenxi on Sunday May 26, 2024 @09:07PM (#40486721)
Doubly unfortunate because the philosophical aspects of statistics are more important to students than most of maths. There are something like 4 different schools of thought [0] and people will have a natural propensity to one of them.

Although they all agree on the formulas and rigorous aspects, it is actually a challenging proposition to comprehend what someone is doing if you strongly see the world from one perspective and don't realise that academics are potentially approaching the interpretation in one of 3 other ways.

It adds a lot of dryness to the textbook because the author can really only talk about the objective parts in an introductory classroom setting. But if you're getting taught by a frequentist and have a subjectivity bent it is easy to spend a year or two confused before someone clues you in that there are unresolved questions of interpretation.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretation_of_probability

Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by enasterosophes on Sunday May 26, 2024 @09:38PM (#40486889)
> people will have a natural propensity to one of them.

I see what you did there

Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by riffraff on Monday May 27, 2024 @12:33AM (#40487578)
Interesting, my university book of the subject was pretty tiny but it did talk of the different interpretations, but it only mentioned frequentist and bayesian. I did not suspect the story was much more complicated.
Re:The t-test was invented at the Guinness brewery by orhmeh09 on Sunday May 26, 2024 @10:14PM (#40487060)
I liked this one a lot

Abelson, R. P. (1995). Statistics as Principled Argument. Psychology Press. https://www.routledge.com/Statistics-As-Principled-Argument/...

> In this illuminating volume, Robert P. Abelson delves into the too-often dismissed problems of interpreting quantitative data and then presenting them in the context of a coherent story about one's research. Unlike too many books on statistics, this is a remarkably engaging read, filled with fascinating real-life (and real-research) examples rather than with recipes for analysis. It will be of true interest and lasting value to beginning graduate students and seasoned researchers alike. The focus of the book is that the purpose of statistics is to organize a useful argument from quantitative evidence, using a form of principled rhetoric. Five criteria, described by the acronym MAGIC (magnitude, articulation, generality, interestingness, and credibility) are proposed as crucial features of a persuasive, principled argument. Particular statistical methods are discussed, with minimum use of formulas and heavy data sets. The ideas throughout the book revolve around elementary probability theory, t tests, and simple issues of research design. It is therefore assumed that the reader has already had some access to elementary statistics. Many examples are included to explain the connection of statistics to substantive claims about real phenomena.