On Self-driving, Waymo is playing chess while Tesla plays checkers

Re:On Self-driving, Waymo is playing chess while Tesla plays... by poulpy123 on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @09:34AM (#40440779)

> While no one was behind the wheel during my rides, Waymo has remote operators that sometimes provide guidance to its vehicles (Waymo declined to tell me whether—or how often—remote operators intervened during my rides)

So basically Waymo are remote controlled taxis

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Re:On Self-driving, Waymo is playing chess while Tesla plays... by Retric on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @09:40AM (#40440861)

When a 10 person team can handle 100+ cars we call that automation

Remote control like this requires cars to safely deal with hazards on their own. But, it doesn’t require software to be able to solve every problem.

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Re:On Self-driving, Waymo is playing chess while Tesla plays... by wpietri on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @09:51AM (#40441024)

Have they announce any numbers like that? The only thing I can recall hearing was having 72 operators for 50 vehicles, but that was back at initial launch.

If I were in their shoes, especially given the Cruise debacle, I'd have continuous remote human monitoring of every vehicle. They're already burning billions on this; if having one minimum-wage worker per vehicle just hovering over a big red stop button prevents a gruesome accident and a multi-month pause, it'd be money well spent.

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Re:On Self-driving, Waymo is playing chess while Tesla plays... by kbos87 on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @09:42AM (#40440902)

I don't have any experience with Waymo taxis yet, but I have no doubt that a 10 person team could reliably handle 100+ Teslas today.

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Re:On Self-driving, Waymo is playing chess while Tesla plays... by Retric on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @09:49AM (#40440993)

That’s why people many people think Tesla is behind on the path of self driving. It’s good enough when someone sitting in the drivers seat and paying attention, but that’s a long way from self driving.

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Re:On Self-driving, Waymo is playing chess while Tesla plays... by tsimionescu on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @10:17PM (#40449656)

How could someone pay continuous attention to 10 different cars, ready to intervene in less than a second at any time for any of them? Because that is the standard that is required to drive a Tesla "FSD" vehicle.

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Re:On Self-driving, Waymo is playing chess while Tesla plays... by a1000regrets on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @09:43AM (#40440915)

Not exactly - https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response

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Re:On Self-driving, Waymo is playing chess while Tesla plays... by Falimonda on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @09:47AM (#40440960)

That might even be the case to some extent today, but can you really blame them?

It's the perfect way to integrate RLHF until they've trained out all the kinks.

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